How To Stop Worrying About Using PBN - PERMANENTLY

Do you block the crawlers ? what exactly makes your new network a PBN ?

ChinBo266 said:

Do you block the crawlers ? what exactly makes your new network a PBN ?

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Honestly, I don't even bother blocking crawlers. So far no de-indexations. Low OBL and HQ setup makes it very safe.

It's a PBN because these sites support another one, that is generating money, by linking to it. It's closer to "network of money sites" than the typical PBN though.

tiiberius said:

Honestly, I don't even bother blocking crawlers. So far no de-indexations. Low OBL and HQ setup makes it very safe.

It's a PBN because these sites support another one, that is generating money, by linking to it. It's closer to "network of money sites" than the typical PBN though.

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thats awesome to hear your success with this new network.
plus Quality stuff is longer lasting and It is more fun to create !

thank you for great post. going through the discussion is informative.
I'm building my own pbn now. And glad to know which type of domains I should focus on.

Thanks OP

ChinBo266 said:

thats awesome to hear your success with this new network.
plus Quality stuff is longer lasting and It is more fun to create !

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That's true.

Not to mention much easier to manage

shiro.newbee said:

thank you for great post. going through the discussion is informative.
I'm building my own pbn now. And glad to know which type of domains I should focus on.

Thanks OP

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Indeed. It's harder to start like this but it pays off in the long-run.

You can even make money from these PBN units by selling inner page links similar to niche edits.

Another informative thread out here, and glad to see you’re updating it many of these questions I have seen newbies ask recently now I know which thread to point them to

Very great post!
I have some questions, If you could answer that, I would be incredibly grateful!

I have enough money to buy as much expired domains i like.
1K per Domain where no Problem for me (for HQ expired Domains, no spammy bullshit or something, really HQ), the Question is how effektiv is this?

Cause in the past i have bought some expired Domains and started some new Blogs on it. (Same niche as before, they got no penalty or something, everything is to 100% clean)
Some of them were still indexed in google and some were deindexed.
The Domain Metrics were incredible

When i started with new Content on this Domains, it needs more than 4 Months till i get my first 40-60 Visitors per day.
My Content has 3.500 - 5.000 Words, everything HQ, no spin text bullshit.

So is it worth to buy much of this expired Domains and use them as my PBN?
Cause they need a looooooong time till they get good rankings in google, thats why im nor sure if the links are really worthwhile, if the domain needs so long to get good rankings?

Good metrics are one thing, but the traffic and the rankings say more about the power of the domain, right?

I think, a link from a Domain with good Metrics but low rankings and low traffic can not bring good power?

How do you think about it?

Is it worth the links if the domain has bad rankings but good metrics?

MrGrayHat said:

Very great post!
I have some questions, If you could answer that, I would be incredibly grateful!

I have enough money to buy as much expired domains i like.
1K per Domain where no Problem for me (for HQ expired Domains, no spammy bullshit or something, really HQ), the Question is how effektiv is this?

Cause in the past i have bought some expired Domains and started some new Blogs on it. (Same niche as before, they got no penalty or something, everything is to 100% clean)
Some of them were still indexed in google and some were deindexed.
The Domain Metrics were incredible

When i started with new Content on this Domains, it needs more than 4 Months till i get my first 40-60 Visitors per day.
My Content has 3.500 - 5.000 Words, everything HQ, no spin text bullshit.

So is it worth to buy much of this expired Domains and use them as my PBN?
Cause they need a looooooong time till they get good rankings in google, thats why im nor sure if the links are really worthwhile, if the domain needs so long to get good rankings?

Good metrics are one thing, but the traffic and the rankings say more about the power of the domain, right?

I think, a link from a Domain with good Metrics but low rankings and low traffic can not bring good power?

How do you think about it?

Is it worth the links if the domain has bad rankings but good metrics?

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Thank you. Glad you like it

We are talking about a long-term investment here.

All domains, wherever for PBN or money site need to go thorough an aging process before they really starting kicking in. It's quite random.

On average its 3 months.

I'm personally building networks for 5+ years so 3 months really don't bother me.

Link juice is normally usable much quicker than any solid rankings are visible.

You don't need traffic or rankings on your PBN unit to pass link juice.

These things are a very nice bonus, but they are not mandatory.

Money site is a different story.

So to sum it up...

Yes, it is a very good investment if the domain is truly clean, strong and even relevant.

Also, with the tactic I describe here, you'll only need handful of them for solid rank jump.

It's actually little inaccurate to call them PBN since they live on their own so well. They're more like Tier 1 money site network supporting the Primary Money Site

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Another great insight - a really good read especially for someone who has been reticent to use PBN's. This statement has made a lot of sense to me and has converted my thinking. Without knowing anything about PBN's until recently I have for years been operating what you describe here in a post above

It's a PBN because these sites support another one, that is generating money, by linking to it. It's closer to "network of money sites" than the typical PBN though.

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My problem has been ignorance (on many levels) and all of my sites bar one are on the same server!!! .... having said that the 5 sites of concern (others are old not maintained sites) are all eCommerce selling products and all rank in the top half of page1 for the primary keywords for their particular niche(s) - each site is linking to the other which is not quite the way to do it as I now know - albeit it does not seem to have done any harm. They all range in the 12-20 DA (not that I put a lot of faith in that metric, they rank well so that is a better metric ), two of them have a reasonable link profile, 80-120 linked domains.

QUESTION: Should I spread these sites onto different hosts so that they are definitively on separate servers? ... and if I build each site up with more domain links (200+) plus content and product and use the linking strategy you discuss in your specific post on PBN linking .... would this result in being what you have described, a network of money sites that in fact are a pseudo PBN?

I totally agree a higher stat domain is better than 10 small stat domain

what I have seen for a medium keyword 10 low stat domains will get you on page 1 then 15 low stat domain will most probably hit page 1 number 1 or 2 easy on google.

so instead of doing all that work makes good sense just buy 1 huge stat domain makes sense.

1 high value domain will most probably cost cheaper than 15 small domains

also there the traffic and hopefull sales here and there a heigh domain brings.

when it comes to price everybody fucked, unfortunately, any domain for pbn will cost.

They're still a problem and a big one, you could lose your high valued pbn domain as opposed getting hit with many small value domains.

it a pain no matter what way you go.

but hiding domains for pbn is old hat not needed I think it increases ban domains when caught.

I just hope that someone finds better ways to get a normal domain and build it to a high valued domain in days.

I think internet marketing blackhat getting so expensive and the need to mix with whitehat ((_not blackhat no more it grey hat ))

proxies are getting so expensive nightmere.

if you ant got at least $500 month backup spare you're not getting no were with real money making journeys.

everythink now cost a fortune to get the big money unless you got money

blackhat was freedoom from knowing methods so money was never a issue but ant like that now .

some marketers bills monthly are 4 rented home equivalent(( it has got out of hand))

Interesting! Mind sharing how much you earn off of your network? Is your main earner people buying backlinks from it?

shags38 said:

Another great insight - a really good read especially for someone who has been reticent to use PBN's. This statement has made a lot of sense to me and has converted my thinking. Without knowing anything about PBN's until recently I have for years been operating what you describe here in a post above

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shags38 said:

My problem has been ignorance (on many levels) and all of my sites bar one are on the same server!!! .... having said that the 5 sites of concern (others are old not maintained sites) are all eCommerce selling products and all rank in the top half of page1 for the primary keywords for their particular niche(s) - each site is linking to the other which is not quite the way to do it as I now know - albeit it does not seem to have done any harm. They all range in the 12-20 DA (not that I put a lot of faith in that metric, they rank well so that is a better metric ), two of them have a reasonable link profile, 80-120 linked domains.

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Thank you.

Actually, I was inspired to do this by Brian Dean and Neil Patel (backlinko & quicksprout)

They interlink their money sites like crazy and we all know it!

Better to keep things separate but what you described works as well especially with small number of sites like 5.

shags38 said:

QUESTION: Should I spread these sites onto different hosts so that they are definitively on separate servers? ... and if I build each site up with more domain links (200+) plus content and product and use the linking strategy you discuss in your specific post on PBN linking .... would this result in being what you have described, a network of money sites that in fact are a pseudo PBN?

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I would keep things separate, yeah.

From both SEO standpoint and technical. If one server goes down, everything is down.