Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by The Scarlet Pimp, Aug 5, 2010.
self publish anything,
I just pointed my sis to put up stuff (jewelry stuff0 on etsy. I've tried Lulu and they seem pretty easy to work with. Appreciate the share Scarlet Pimp.
people were asking about t-shirts, etc. so i thot this might help.
This is a great resource. My next door neighbor is a great cook and she's trying to create her own cookbook. I'll pass this on to her. Thanks!
Pretty cool little resource. I'm really interested in book self-publishing and I am hosting a teleseminar in a couple of weeks with an audience of about 1,000 would-be self-publishers.
I frequently view a writing-related forum, but it's monitored and people are expected to be polite. I see some people with self-congratulatory posts about getting published. They got published on Lulu, which is a legitimate site. There is nothing wrong with publishing with them. The issue is it's hardly a difficult thing to do.
Self-publishing is fine, but I'd try and get it linked through a more known site, like Amazon (which you can do through Lulu I believe). Self-publishing lowers credibility for the most part.
i agree with the last comment
i don't, considering what i see on the shelves.
To say, "self-publishing lowers credibility" is extremely baseless.
Anyone can self-publish through both Lulu and Amazon. It works best to get your own ISBN numbers (a set of 10 costs around $250) so that you're your own "publisher", so to speak.
Large publishers are a business, just like anything else. To think that they're actually publishing for the quality of the works they publish and not their perceived profitability is nonsense.
And even if an author does get published by a large publisher, 99 times out of 100 they will still have to self-promote. The publishers only pay for large-scale promotion of a select few titles each year. The rest are left to fend for themselves.
Self-publishing doesn't lower credibility at all. In fact, it's really the only way for a relatively unknown author to publish until he or she gains traction.
I've used Instant Publisher in the past. They are very inexpensive, fast, and do a pretty good job for an on-demand book publisher. Generally can get a 60 page book, 25 copies for just over $100.
Go to your local bookstores on a weekend and you see a lot of self publishers sitting at a table promoting their books. I never thought that they were "second tier" or anything.
gonzo's post is right on the money. also, with many self-publishing modes these days, amazon will get it listed effortlessly. This is especially true if you use amazon's self-publishing site, createspace.com. I've gotten 3 or 4 books published for others there and it's a simple process. the end result is very professional too.
my aunt has a book of self-published poetry. written looooong time ago.
better to self-publish than to beg some company.
It's not baseless, and I know you can do well self-publishing. That is precisely why I said you should sale from pages like Amazon. When someone makes a purchase on Amazon, it's unlikely that they will see the book is self-published.
If I'm talking to someone and they say "I just published my first novel," I'll congratulate them. When they tell me they self-published, my first thought is that they weren't talented enough to get a real publisher. This is how many people think. I'm not saying they're right or wrong to think that, but it's true. You can Google the issue and find multiple forums, blogs, etc, where some people will argue against self-publishing.
There is not a significant amount of people who will think self-published works are more likely to be good. This means that on average, a self-published work will be fighting harder for credibility. Hence, it's desirable to avoid giving people cues that the work is self-published.
Self-publishing can be successful, look professional, and produce quality content. And if you're selling something, taking out the middle man can be beneficially from a financial perspective. It's usually the opposite because people can't market themselves, but that's less of an issue for IMers. All I'm saying is you're making a bad choice if you tell your customers you self-published if it's avoidable. Nobody cares much about the publisher unless it's a famous one so don't mention it. Or use the phrase "published." Self-published by Gregory Smith shouldn't be at the bottom of your sales page.
Personally, I don't assume self-published books are of poor quality. I assume every book is terrible because the majority of them are. I'd consider self-publishing something if I took the initiative to write it. It's just that within the amateur literary community (the blog of some low-tier writer trying to make it big) has a significant percentage of people who don't look at self-publishing fondly. And these are the people who have those 10,000 amateur blogs that promote new books.
Don't let me scare you out of self-publishing. A good book that's marketed well will most likely earn you money. I'm just saying that you should self-publish in a manner that makes it less obvious you're self-publishing. In fact, talking about your publisher at all takes away focus from the work, arguably.
I do not mean "credibility" in terms of business relations. I mean people will pre-judge you. Gonzo makes good points about how publishing is a business. But I'm simply saying that a lot of writer's think being accepted by a publisher is some sort of indicator that the quality is more likely to be good. It's still somewhat true that the average self-published book is probably of lesser quality. I mean, Penguin Books doesn't pick up the grammatically incorrect ramblings of a preteen girl telling a story about how life is tough. They at least edit her novel properly before publishing it.
MagicMike- Which POD service have you used? Were you happy with the service??
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