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How to make money from high pagerank

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Stuff and Junk, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Stuff and Junk

    Stuff and Junk Newbie

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    Despite what some folks would have you believe, pagerank is still the most valuable asset that any website owner can posess. There is nothing else that can boost your keyword rankings in serps like high PR can (or even just links from high PR pages). A lot of people don't know how to make money from high PR though or how to otherwise use it to their benefit. I'm going to outline some methods here for making money from high PR and other ways to put it to use.


    -For the purpose of this post, "high PR" will refer to pr7 and higher.
    -Also, this is not a "how to get high PR" post.
    -It's a "what to do with high PR once you've got it" post.
    :)




    1. One of the most effective ways to make money from high PR pages is to sell text links on those pages. Many factors determine the value of a link, including page authority, domain age, mozrank, and most importantly, pagerank.


    Depending on those factors, you can make a lot of money selling links. None of the link-selling services are very good though, and they all take a very large cut. If you want to sell links, you're best off doing it yourself. You have to be careful, so as to not draw attention from Google. Otherwise, you risk penalization. Generally, if you avoid publicly posting any URLs that you're selling links on, you should be safe.


    You should keep the amount of outbound links (OBLs) low so that the links you sell are more valuable. Typically, you won't want to sell more than 10-20 links on a page in order to keep OBLs at or under 25. If you start going above this, you will hurt the value of your links, and people won't page as much for them. This is because the "link juice" being passed from your page through the links to their targets will become too diluted.


    One PR8 page with decent page authoriy, mozrank, and domain age can yield as much as $15,000/month (very high end of the spectrum). At minimum, it could make you $2,000 a month if you do it properly.





    2. A variant of the link selling method is to sell blog posts. By the time your homepage has high PR, any new inner pages/posts created will gain PR very quickly. You can sell posts where someone pays a fee, and they send you a post. You then add the post to your site on a new inner page with 1-3 contextual links (your choice) in the post linking back to the seller's website.


    You and the person who bought the post should both build some backlinks to the post. It should then reach PR2-PR3 very quickly, and the buyer has permanent links coming from that page, and they're contextual, adding more value to them. Meanwhile, you get the value of adding new content to your website, and of course, making money. With lower PR sites, you can sell guest posts on marketplaces such as fiverr.





    3. Once you have a couple of high PR pages, you can pass PR along to your other sites and pages. You can begin passing links around to your other sites and building up their pagerank, as well as linking to internal pages and building their PR as well, so that you have more pages to sell links on.


    You can rank new sites/pages/posts quickly this way. You can even build your own blog network full of pr3-pr6 blogs by passing your link juice from high PR pages sufficiently through several sites and pages. You can then employ #1 or #2 or even both on your private blog network.





    4. You can sell blog comments on pages with medium to high PR (you could with low PR too, but it may not be worth the time). This would work similarly to #1, except with this, you'll allow much higher OBLs, and consequently, offer a much lower price.





    5. You can offer SEO services to local businesses in your area and use your high PR to boost their PR and get solid rankings for them. You can treat this like #1, building the price of the links into what you charge them, and combine it with link building. Of course, I wouldn't explain it to them that way, or it may confuse them.




    I hope this helps some of you, and I look forward to the conversations that will come out of this.




    *Edit: One can use these methods with low or medium PR websites well. It just isn't nearly as lucrative. High PR is where the money is.
     
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  2. mojo_hanzo

    mojo_hanzo Newbie

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    Hi,

    Thanks for the idea,

    Would you mind telling us the best place to sell text links and blog posts?
     
  3. markhenry121

    markhenry121 Elite Member

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    Thanks for sharing this information.
     
  4. TheSalesBooster

    TheSalesBooster Newbie

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    nice post
     
  5. beauxesprits

    beauxesprits BANNED BANNED

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    If you can get PR7 or higher, you really don't need to read How to make money.. You are already a great IMer after you get more than PR for your website.
     
  6. I-J-T

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    With high pagerank, you can probably do paid blogging.
     
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  8. RealEcon

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    This would have been a great post before Panda and Penguin. But I dont really see the point of it now.

    How does PR help you rank against Panda and Penguin?
     
  9. Stuff and Junk

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    There are many, but for me, the most efficient way is twofold:

    1. Scour WTB (want to buy) posts on forums like this one, where people are looking for what you're offering

    2. Build up your reputation on relevant forums and offer them for sale in a regular post (where allowed) or in a paid ad post (such as in the items for sale or services for sale categories here)
     
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  10. thejake

    thejake Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I liked this post more before it was stolen from wariorforum.
     
  11. Stuff and Junk

    Stuff and Junk Newbie

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    Not in all cases. I know people who have pr8 & pr9 sites who have no idea how to use it to their advantage.




    That's true. However, you can still use these methods to make money. Just expect to work harder for less money than you'll have to once you reach PR7 :)
     
  12. Stuff and Junk

    Stuff and Junk Newbie

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    Are you kidding? All of my high PR pages jumped after both panda and penguin, and the revised panda a few days ago. Every one of them. Every time.




    It wasn't stolen from warriorforum. I'm The Link Broker on warriorforum. I just posted in the thread there that I'm the same person who posted it here on bhw. I'd appreciate it if you'd edit your post.
     
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  13. RealEcon

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    So you are saying that having a page with PR helps the actual page move up in the serps?

    Putting your link on high PR pages is about all PR is good for now and if you dont know what you are doing with Panda and Penguin, even PR links arent going to help you.

    Look at all the complaints on the HPBL sales threads. Peoples sites arent ranking with high PR links because their sites have been hit by Panda and Penguin.

    Anyway not trying to rain on the parade just sharing my experience. Like everything, experiences always vary.
     
  14. Stuff and Junk

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    Absolutely - if you have proper on-page and off-page SEO, having PR helps tremendously with moving the page up in serps for the SEO'd keywords. Not only that, but if it's the homepage that has PR then it also helps the inner pages move up in serps. It also makes it much more difficult for the pages ranked below you to gain rank over you (or for you to fall in rank for your keywords). This has been the case in every single instance that I have seen.

    Agreed that if you don't know what you're doing with Panda and Penguin that even high PR links probably won't help you. However, regarding your comment "Putting your link on high PR pages is about all PR is good for now" - why do you think that is? It's because that boosts your pagerank, and page authority, which in turn boosts your rankings in serps. Plus PR is also good for making money :)

    I don't think you're raining on the parade at all. I appreciate your input, and it's good to point out for anyone who doesn't know that if you don't know how to optimize for panda and penguin then you should worry about that much more than pr. This thread was meant more for people who already have pr and don't know how to use it to their benefit (believe it or not, there are a lot of people like that out there).
     
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  15. rockong

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    What you say is very true - to have a high PR website in your portfolio can do wonders for your website. It's one of the strongest indicators of authority for the search engines.

    Let me give you all an example: I've got a website that is PR5 and I decided to expand the network for that particular project. I started linking my PR5 website to the new website to give it some juice and within 1 month, it's already receiving 20K unique per month. NO JOKE

    The best part..I didn't even work on SEO yet. It was purely on-site optimization...so no matter what all the "experts" say...on-site optimization is INSANELY important so make sure you get that down :)

    Good post pal!
     
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    I agree with REALEcon, Page rank backlinks are not worth as much as they use to, Now days you need a good mix of links and also need many more amount of links as you needed 1 year ago to rank... Believe me or not your choice, But I own over 250 domains and most are page ranking from pr1-pr6... All on c-class ip's, not one domain has the same c class.... And I have more then 40 law firm clients and still its not as easy ranking as it use to be.... I even have 14 page rank 6 sites over 10 year age never dropped...

    They are now not as valuable as they use to be...


    Stuff And Junk: Not to keep jumping down on your thread and posts but this is the 2nd non-factual thread/posts you have made in the past 48 hours that I've seen.... You just trying to get your post count up??
     
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    Thanks rockong, and thank you for your input. This is an excellent example and is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to the power of PR. What's funny is that Matt Cutts himself said that pagerank isn't important anymore. That makes me laugh. It just shows how much he really knows about what he's talking about.
     
  18. sespot

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    How do you know this for a fact? He could be telling the truth, and I think he is correct just from my fellow seo experts and my own pr testing recently... It has only been 30-60 days since google slapped so many sites and made so many changes, Even the top experts are still doing testing to find out what works and what does not.... Try to find one well known seo expert that will say that PR is as valuable as your saying it is now...

    I am not trying to be a jerk just trying to get people to not get hung up on the page rank its self... If you do that you will fail in seo and I.M, And that is a fact...
     
  19. Stuff and Junk

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    Get a pr9 link pointed to your homepage, and after you watching your rankings jump 150% or more, try again to tell me that they don't matter.

    250 domains? Is that all? So you're still new at to all of this...

    What was the alleged first non-factual thread? I think it's pretty clear that this thread is anything but non-factual. If I were just trying to get my post count up, don't you think I would have done so without a 1,200 word post?

    I think even a newb who owns 250 domains AND has 40 law firm clients would use proper grammar and at least semi-accurate punctuation. Surely he wouldn't have the time to troll forums and flame people who are actually trying to contribute something of value.

    Go troll somewhere else, kid. I'd thank you for your input, but why blatantly lie?
     
  20. sespot

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    Where is all the lies???

    And let me guess you have tons of page rank 9's???

    Your one of those kids that tries to act so big.... And I am not the only one calling you out, look at some of your posts from the last 2 days and you will find others calling you out to.

    I am just trying to tell you not to misled people......

    How am I a Troll?? For giving the members of BHW my thoughts on the subject? Damn Sorry for putting my input on the topic.... And sorry I don't own thousands of domains like you do... I won't get into a pissing contest with you..

    And thanks for the childish trash talking to me... Anyhow to the rest of the members reading this, Sorry if you don't like my posts...

    Take care