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How to create your own blog network on different class b/c ips for free!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jeromespitfire, May 27, 2013.

  1. jeromespitfire

    jeromespitfire Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Just a neat little trick I have just worked out!

    If you want to start your own blog network but don't want to pay the huge hosting bill for loads of different class-C ips, then there is a very easy way to host your blogs on different IPs for free (or very cheap).

    You will need to grab yourself some shared hosting that supports CloudFlare. Loads of hosts now offer this: http://www.cloudflare.com/hosting-partners
    Choose one, that allows multiple domains on the same account.

    Set all your websites up on this shared account. Then register an account at CloudFlare, and add all your websites to CloudFlare.

    CloudFlare in effect acts as a proxy for your websites, and displays your websites from their servers not yours! Each time you add a new website to CloudFlare, they assign it a new IP from their pool. They have a huge pool of IPs, in different class-c and class-b ranges. Therefore all your blogs hosted at CloudFlare are going to have a huge IP diversity.

    The best thing about this method, other than it being free, is that google won't suspect a thing about your blog network, as there are 1000s of other legitimate websites hosted on the same IPs. This looks natural to google, unlike having your blog network hosted at a specialist class-c hosting provider who is already on google's radar for hosting spammy blog networks.
     
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  2. mikeydell

    mikeydell Senior Member

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    Ive been thinking about doing something like this for awhile but was uneasy about leaving footprints.
    Im assuming you would be using cloudfare nameservers correct?
     
  3. dennica

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    i dont recommend getting 1 host only..

    its best to get several shared hosting accounts..
     
  4. jeromespitfire

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    @Mikeydell Yes, cloudflare nameservers. But they have several randomized nameservers as well. I guess that's the only footprint, however I don't see it as a problem because so many websites now use cloudflare.

    @dennica If the only thing the user/google sees i the different cloudflare IPs, what is the problem of using 1 host?
     
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    Already using cloudflare for all my sites, i didn't realise this about the IP. Google must be smart enough to know where the source server is though, and recognise cloudflare purely as a CDN?
     
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    I don't think your real IP is revealed. I think this is the whole point of cloudflare, as it protects your real server's IP.
     
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    Ive got a new blog network I was going to setup next week with 20 domains we picked up off godaddy auctions with good pr, I think Ill give this method a try and see how it works out. Thanks for the info OP.
     
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    thanked subscribed i think good method
     
  9. Panther28

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    Ok, i just ran ip checks on http://www.site24x7.com

    And i can indeed confirm this is correct, they do have a variety of different ips.
    Well spotted op.

    Repped up!
     
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    I never thought of doing this, so cheers for the share.
     
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    I've thought about this before, came to the conclusion that instead of all cloudflare IP's having a certain % would be better.

    For example getting a shared host for $2/month, having 1 site hosted on the shared IP and one on cloudflare. 50/50, there are other services like cloudflare out there as well.
     
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    Unfortunately (with Bluehost anyway), a path to discovery still exists. cloudflare-resolve-to.yourdomain.tld still shows your ip address, and so does the regular A-Record. While you could go in and edit your zone records to send the bare domain to cloudflare, you'd have to select a static IP of theirs to do so, and it could cause trouble down the road. I don't know how to fix the cloudflare-resolve-to subdomain exposure. Even if the subdomain name were customized, a readout of your existing subdomains would expose the one that reveals your IP address. I love the idea, and would like to use this method, but need to find a way to do more than a CNAME on the www and an htaccess entry for the bare domain (which is how bluehost does it). Anyone else able to refine this method further?
     
  13. dennica

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    If that host gets popular for seo hosting, google will deindex them all their ips. Google has ways to identify all host ips. And when that happens, all your blogs will be deindex.

    What i sugest is to buy different shared hosting accounts. Not seo hosting accounts.
     
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    nice one op, i tried inserting monkeys into your paypal account they cant fit into your account
    anyway its a win win situation for everyone ( hosting company, website owners and cloudflare themselves )
     
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    Awesome thread.

    I don't think it will give the exact same credit of hosting on a dedicated class c, but for the price you can't beat it.

    I have a question...... Lets say you're using hostgators business package. You can have one main domain and add unlimited domains onto it, but it's added on as a subdomain. So sitenumber2.com is really a subdomain as sitenumber2.sitenumber1.com Make sense? I wish I was more tech savvy to explain it better. If you do a site search in google you can see if it's a subdomain. Does this prevent/change/affect that?


    edit - I've noticed another problem with this method...

    Code:
    http://www.cloudflare.com/plans
    If you have a host with ssl (like hostgator) you have to use the paid plan.

    Your host will have to be one that doesn't have ssl, or you'll have to disable ssl for the free plan.
    But then you'll have to create a separate footprint for each site so cloudflare doesn't catch on and think you're abusing the free plan.... hmmmmm.

    Although, 5 bucks a month for each website isn't bad, if you're comparing that to SEOhostingdotcom or something like it.
     
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    The setup i have is with hostgator, and there is multiple subdomains on one domain.
    I also have a package with hostwinds.

    Both i tested, and both show different ips per site.

    You can activate the sites through hostgator & hostwinds at the touch of a button. I use the basic free package that you get with cloudflare.
     
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    Great idea, i used Cloudflare before to load my website fast in visitors browsers.
     
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    Cloud flare has only 13 C-classes in their ipv4 ips

    http://www.cloudflare.com/ips
     
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    Even though it's on the same ip, won't the constant domain of the subdomain link the sites together, in the absence of the ip?
     
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    Yeah, i was kind of thinking that. However, if you take a look at hubpages, after the first panda update, the changed to having subdomains for all users, and this worked for them, so i don't think it will be an issue.

    Guess it depends on what lengths you willing to go. Technically once your site makes enough, you would separate it to its own server, and ip anyway. If its a bunch of smaller sites, it shouldn't be an issue.

    Personally i build a max of 20 sites on a subdomain with a host, and use different hosts, and then different details with those same hosts too.

    Is there a chance that a networking guru can step in here and clarify your answer more?