How to begin with SaaS?

Hello Guys,

i have an SaaS idea. I am not the best programmer but i don't want ro program it anyway.

I need a developer for
-Machine Learning
-frontend
-backend
-another artificial intelligence developer (could be the samw as ML Developer)
-kubernetes/openstack admin

I want to manage all Of them and how should i approach them?
I have trust issues with people i dont know its about money you know.

Hard find good coders, especialy when you dont have coding background.
Best way you find the stack which you need and join some boards.

On freelancer i had the last days only problem with them. Now have 500 usd there as balance cause 4 from 4 people couldnt deliver. MAKE SURE THE MILESTONES ARE 100% clear.

I am real bad at coding BUT looks iam better then the guys there. On UPwork i had some luck, but best way are boards, twitter ect.

After few years in these field i have gained some good friendships with awesome devs.

Walt0n said:

MAKE SURE THE MILESTONES ARE 100% clear.

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So should i tell them exactly what they have to reach before seeing any money?

No upfront payments?

OF COURSE NO UPFRONT PAYMENT.

NO NO NO NEEVVVEERRRRRR.

Walt0n said:

OF COURSE NO UPFRONT PAYMENT.

NO NO NO NEEVVVEERRRRRR.

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That doesnt make any sense, a very small percentage of people would work without an upfront payment.. coders who know their shit demand up to %50 of the payment upfront. I usually ask for 25% and then split the rest in milestones.

OP, you could use Upwork but only if you have enough money to hire US freelancers. Join some discord servers for programming to find people, im in a one where they have a channel for clients to post their jobs.

Whatever you do, make sure to use non-disclosure agreements before even talking about your idea to developers.

Never compelete upfront payment,but you can give them part of upfront payment.

all im gonna say is, you need to take risks to make money.

The CEO of Upwork and I had a big call about the best way to do this along with a bunch of other millionaires and billionaires. You'll probably fail somehow your first time around but that's how it goes. Godspeed.

I wouldn't touch anything without 50% payment and I use to charge £80 ph and 5k+ jobs only many do 3k + only.

your asking for a dev with that project not easy as you think.

ai is the most expensive work now days

Machine Learning
-frontend
-backend

around £160 to £300 / ph

you only get what you can afford.

if you need updates as many apps do, your need to also pay a subscription price for updating an application around 2.5k per month on contract over 12 months.

ai programmers don't need to scam money there normal jobs are 10k to 100k per job over 3 months, money no issue .

you can use a programming agency if scared but they expect full payment after consultation.

macdonjo3 said:

The CEO of Upwork and I had a big call about the best way to do this along with a bunch of other millionaires and billionaires. You'll probably fail somehow your first time around but that's how it goes. Godspeed.

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Lol what

redarrow said:

I wouldn't touch anything without 50% payment and I use to charge £80 ph and 5k+ jobs only many do 3k + only.

your asking for a dev with that project not easy as you think.

ai is the most expensive work now days

Machine Learning
-frontend
-backend

around £160 to £300 / ph

you only get what you can afford.

if you need updates as many apps do, your need to also pay a subscription price for updating an application around 2.5k per month on contract over 12 months.

ai programmers don't need to scam money there normal jobs are 10k to 100k per job over 3 months, money no issue .

you can use a programming agency if scared but they expect full payment after consultation.

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Money isn't the factor. I calculated everything. I only have experience with dev teams that are nearby so we can meet and talk.

Now I want to do everything over the internet

I agree some good freelancers won't start it without some upfront payment.
I think you should go with escrow as both of you will remain safe

kinglion said:

Money isn't the factor. I calculated everything. I only have experience with dev teams that are nearby so we can meet and talk.

Now I want to do everything over the internet

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That's unusual for BHW lol, usually people expect to get programmers for like $10 an hour. Also make sure your idea is possible and realistic, as AI can't do everything, even these days.

Dear OP,
Although by telling you this, I'm hurting the freelancer's market. The thing is programmers especially the ones with more experience under their belts, are usually very money-hungry machines that convert your idea and some coffee to a working product. These types of people, including me, will charge much higher prices when you're in need; therefore, for a long term project like yours, having an NDA contract isn't enough.
Most of the time, the growth of programmers has a reverse relationship with their care for others. If a programmer is nice to you today, it doesn't mean that he isn't planning to do something against your company to increase his profit.
By basing this statement on above mentioned small facts, I kindly ask you to do your due diligence and avoid outsourcing as much as possible.
If by any chance, you're still looking to outsource this section, try finding a trusted programmer of yours or a software development consulting agency to do code-reviews after each milestone. This makes the programmer design the system's core architecture better and reduces the number of headaches down the road.
And about the prepayments, each programmer has his / her numbers, but usually, programmers do ask for at least 30% or the contract beforehand, and it's better to do the paperwork first.
Finally, I'm strongly against outsourcing long-term projects and try finding the right person to work for or work with you.
Best regards
PS to mods: I'm not trying to sell any service, nor do a joint venture, and I'm strongly against outsourcing this stuff.

Aulig said:

That's unusual for BHW lol, usually people expect to get programmers for like $10 an hour. Also make sure your idea is possible and realistic, as AI can't do everything, even these days.

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I already now ML AI but not as good to make everything myself. I have one dev but I want to build a team since he also said that this project is huge af.


I am currently even thinking about employing them. Giving them a salary etc.

The Undefined said:

Dear OP,
Although by telling you this, I'm hurting the freelancer's market. The thing is programmers especially the ones with more experience under.......

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Man thank you for all the Tipps.

I as I said before I am currently even thinking about employing them in my company.

share your stake to a coder

Never give completed payment. But you give part per payment in other to facilitate your work

liyong601c said:

share your stake to a coder

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Hahahaha no no no that's the only thing I won't do.