How long does it take you to hand-spin an article?

It's not like hiring people from Philippines over the Internet. If he tries to cheat me he looses his job, simple as that. Obviously at first they made more mistakes, they were slower, they did redundant spinning, etc. But since I hired them full-time which gave me the perfect long-term solution for a good price/quality ratio, I took the time to teach them and be patient with them until they became good and faster. I don't even have to bother if they actually work because they both tell me when they skipped days and didn't work. They know I expect minimum X amount of spinning within a week and know if that is not met I will ask questions and have a problem.

To offer a service, cost would be very high. Extremely high compared to other spinning services. It would actually be cheaper because it is done properly so you can produce spins at lower cost, but the actual job/seed will seem very expensive. For example, for a 500 word article spun very well you end up with a seed of about 15,000-20,000 words. This would cost you up to $400. From it you could produce about 2000 spins at good uniqueness which means the cost per spin/article is $0.2. A very good price considering normally you'd have to pay $4 or more for a 500 words article that is decent enough in terms of readability. Thing is my guys have perfect English (one of them worked for an online magazine from UK) so the spun text they produce is actually a lot better than what you get from a hand written article done by the average Indian or Filipino service provider.

Anyway right now I don't offer any service of this kind nor do I plan to offer in the future but you can PM me if you're interested and if I see enough interest maybe I start providing such a service and make a BST here.

For those who think spinning takes too much time and is not worth it, you're thinking about it wrong. It is not about the cost (in time or money) of the seed text but about the cost of the final spin. Look at my example above and note how the money cost for an article becomes $0.2 instead of $4-6. Regarding time, it takes 1 week. In one week, by hand you'd write 80 articles if you're really fast (2/hour). Problem is in practice you'd run out of ideas and ways to express the same idea. I don't think you can come up with 80 ways to say something in an article without getting tired mentally. So, in the same time span, you get 80 articles vs. 2000. Again, the numbers recommend spinning is a much cost effective solution. Stop doing business and taking decision based on how you feel about something (slow/fast, happy/sad, easy/hard, etc.) and look at the damn numbers!

If you write 5 unique articles and then spin them first for the paragraph level and then for the sentence level at the end of all that spinning how much paragraphs with at least 50% unique content would you end up with? Would Google let the 50% unique and 50% copied articles pass its eyes?

warrichpk said:

If you write 5 unique articles and then spin them first for the paragraph level and then for the sentence level at the end of all that spinning how much paragraphs with at least 50% unique content would you end up with? Would Google let the 50% unique and 50% copied articles pass its eyes?

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You can't analyze it like that because spinning is random so some articles will be 20% unique others will be 70% unique. That means to have only articles above 50% unique you'd have to spin and then compare it with every other article you created to see if it passes the 50% mark. That's super computationally expensive.

What you should do is don't bother with that at all and just spin them within a decent number of times. It is not just about the number of levels you spin but also about how many paragraphs you have in the article when you spin multi-level. A 3 paragraph article should be spun less times than an article with 10 paragraphs because the variation for 10 paragraphs is a lot higher.

For a 5 paragraph article, each paragraph around 100 words, if you rewrite each paragraph 2 more times and each sentence 2 more times and then the words, AND also you don't have poor quality redundant spinning in there, you can spin 1000 times and you get good uniqueness overall. You can even go to 2000 spins and still get good uniqueness.

Also, when you publish on sites that's not the only article so the uniqueness at site level is going to be OK.

The best answer is the guys on Freelancer

Has anybody watched the video from TBS? They share some very good tips about spinning on paragraph/sentence and word levels to get very unique articles. I have done this thing myself and it really works great.

And for copyscape, I think there mechanism is very easy to defeat. You just need to replace the 3rd/4th word of each sentence to bypass copyscape ! See the TBS video about bypassing copyscape.

Hand-spinning an article to around 91-95% uniqueness that can generate potentially millions of resulting articles takes my team of writers approximately 4 days for a 12k+ word monster, or just a day for a little nested cheapie.

For example: using one original article as a base, you can pull this apart and spin each individual sentence four or five times. This gives you a decent level of uniqueness, but shouldn't be overspun more than around 40 times, as the uniqueness level begins to drop.

If you really want to generate hundreds of articles, you can spin each paragraph so you have five completely different versions of each paragraph, as well as five individual versions of each sentence.

You can also 'nest' individually spun words inside each sentence of a single article if you prefer a quickie option for creating only a few unique articles.

Either way, hand-spinning is quite simple, once you understand how to work it to your favor. Learning to leverage it properly is another matter

madoctopus said:

The following is a graph plotted using data from 1,000,000 comparisons of a 400 word article. That's 1000 articles generated, each compared with each-other. The seed was 320,000 words long spun at 6-8 levels deep. As you see from such a huge seed text I still get "only" 50% uniqueness on average.

First for comparison using an n-gram size of 3:

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Hey again mad,
1) I find it interesting that you're paying people to spin with good results, your english lit resourcefulness is interesting I've tried this myself with only modest success and a lot of flakiness.
How are they spinning your content? How many layers or are you creating huge megaspintaxes for millions of submissions?

2) a trigram study is not going to be sufficient for testing uniqueness, there is no way any service (or google for that matter) compares at this level.
Also, a raw trigram study (searching entire articles for selected sets of words) is also inaccurate for uniqueness. Generally people can expect a type of word count placement/columnation effect here.
If you type in "more than ever" into google you only receive 29,400,000 results. So it's clear if google is checking uniqueness (I'm not thinking they are) it's more like with n-grams of 10+. Even so, if you type in "more than ever before in history" (n gram of 6) you wind up with 109,000 results in google. Still not enough for a uniqueness check.
If you're doing a n-gram of 3 batch comparison you need to do at least 3-4 sets of phrases and check articles for recurrences of all 3, otherwise it should be considered "unique"
Again, otherwise it makes no sense to me.

3) I'm wondering what niche you're looking at targeting if you're generating at so much content to "launch" it soon (I know you're building in python for the web 2.0 generation). Even extremely competitive 100 million USD/yr terms are not competitive enough to require such early work where you'd need to be able to generate 10-20 million contextual links.