How long does it take to learn SEO? [HELP ME]

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I've been thinking recently about diversifying my product because I do sell websites, so I could easily upsell SEO.
It's so many things about SEO tbh; There are like 50 different things you need to know.
PLEASE, PLEASE!!! "depends on several factors.."
I know that it takes consistency to get good results. :D
  1. Where should you invest to achieve good SEO results? (Whether for yourself or others)
  2. Is it necessary to invest in tools?
  3. What would you recommend as a starting point?
  4. Are Google Ads an important factor for SEO?
  5. What should you do consistently to stay oriented toward long-term success, like in a 3-5 year timeframe?
  6. How do you measure the return on your actions? (How do you know if it’s worked or will work?)
If someone could answer these questions, I would be so thankful.
 
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I've been into SEO since 2012 and I didn't learn SEO yet
and also you are the person who said that you prefer hiring people to do the job for you
all your posts here should be relevant to what you already said so you don't make contradiction and will look ...
 
Instead of learning SEO, why don't you do a collab with an existing agency and then ask them to offer you say a 10 - 20% cut for every client you refer to them?

Yes, that's a good approach, but on the other hand, you can take all of the money for yourself.

Be sure to put the Search feature to good use as it will help you in this case. :)

Thank you.

I've been into SEO since 2012 and I didn't learn SEO yet
and also you are the person who said that you prefer hiring people to do the job for you
all your posts here should be relevant to what you already said so you don't make contradiction and will look ...


To hire an SEO specialist I need to know something about that, don't you think?
 
Where should you invest to achieve good SEO results? (Whether for yourself or others)
you need to know how search engines work. And when I say search engines I do mean ALL of them as google is slowly dying for the average guy (only the rich and the nerds can make money with google nowadays), but the good news is that more and more people are moving away from google to other search engines.

Someone said 2 days ago that 70% of his traffic comes from bing, yandex and DDG and that it converts even better than google's traffic (which is understandable when you see what garbage ranks in google nowadays which forces people to use other SEs).... Another forum member had said some months ago that he's making $1000 with Bing, which might, or might not be a lot, but it's still money that can pay the bills. But the point is that other search engines become useful, so you should not limit yourself to google :)

Now, the good news is that if you learn how to rank in google you will probably rank in the other SEs on inertia since every SE is way behind google when it comes to innovations.

Now, to answer your question, I would say you should invest 2 resources into 2 different venues:

1) invest money to hire a SEO expert (a genuine one, not "experts" that will boost your site's DA for $10 on Fiverr) to teach you the dirty tricks of this industry, that most people don't know about (this will probably cost you a lot upfront, but if the expert is really an expert you will cut down the learning time by a lot)

2) invest time into this forum. Maybe you can't be on it 24/7 like many of us, but start watching the WH and BH forums and when you receive an email with a subject that sounds interesting you can click on the link to read it, even follow it so you can see what people say.

Doing this with 10-20 threads a day consistently for months will open up your eyes to a lot of things that you would not be able to learn otherwise. Just set aside 1-2 hours a day to weed through the emails and read a few threads of interest and you'll see what I mean :)

After you invest into these 2 things - and since building sites is already a 2nd nature to you - you could set up 5-10 websites per month with various scenarios (fresh domains vs expired domains, quality content + bad links vs garbage content + good links, sites with keyword research vs sites with no keyword research, etc...)

Basically, put what you've learnt into practice, but in a fun and practical way so you can have many different sources (both theoretical and practical) of comparison against each other to understand how this industry works. And I guarantee you that after 2-3 months of doing these things religiously each day (+ the knowledge you will have gotten from the real SEO expert) you will have learned about SEO more than most people do.

Of course, you will probably burn through a lot of money to run all of these tests, but they're necessary because the best SEO knowledge is the one that you acquire by testing things yourself. Despite of what you might think, or whether or not you believe it, Google does have an insane number of rules and filters for everything under the Sun. No 2 niches are identical, no 2 keywords in the same niche are identical, no 2 sites that target the same keywords in the same niche are identical, no 2 fresh or expired domains with the same authority are identical and could be treated completely differently by google based on god-knows-what rules and filters, etc...

So, it pays off to run tests yourself even if you're not going to do this long term. You said that knowing a few things about this industry before upselling SEO services would not hurt. And I agree with this. And you can get that small edge simply by investing some time and money into trying things out for 6 months let' say.... and after that you can stop trying (you should still keep on reading and learning though, as SEO is constantly changing)

Is it necessary to invest in tools?
if you know the theory and don't intend to practice SEO yourself not really. But if you do intend to rank sites you do want to know where you can break in as not all niches are easy to break into. For example, if your starting niches / industries are the ones below (and not only) I'd say you don't even think about it :)

- scholarships
- forex trading
- insurance (all types of insurances are tough: car, home, health, pets, etc)
- medicine and health (surgeries, weight loss, etc)
- gambling / casino
- online banking
- web hosting
- politics and news
- high ticket items (luxury resorts, cars, yachts, jewelry, etc)
- real estate and home staging
- education in general (scholarships as I mentioned earlier, but also home schooling, long distance learning, etc)
- online business
- SEO
- relationships and relationship advice
- psychology / psychiatry / hypnotism

I'm not saying that no one can rank in these industries, as people keep outranking each other each day. All I'm saying is that these industries require a lot of SEO knowledge (and not just the "white hat" type of it), but also a hefty MONTHLY budget.

What would you recommend as a starting point?
if you're not stupid like me and can understand technical SEO follow @splishsplash 's posts. The guy's a genius, and some of my SEO knowledge comes from him even if I don't understand a lot of the things he says nowadays (my poor brain is focused on helping people, enjoying nature, playing video games, I have no idea about AI and LLM, about schemas and knowledge graphs, about programmatic SEO and all of those nonsense idiocies that are alien to me).

But, unfortunately, google are raising the SEO bar so high that people like me can't adapt anymore because the knowledge is too advanced and too technical (which is why I said earlier that SEO has become the heaven of geeks and nerds nowadays)

So, start following the posts of people like Splishsplash and a few others (won't name them because I don't remember their names at the moment)... oh, also @tiiberius , that guy is also good at SEO, I've learned a few things from him myself.... if you want to get into expired domains @Nargil knows more than anyone I've seen on the forum....

But there are more knowledgeable members, not just 3. But start with these and you'll learn more than John Mu can ever teach you :)

Are Google Ads an important factor for SEO?
this one is tricky to answer. Personally, I have seen sites that didn't even exist in google's index, but as soon as they've bought Google Ads they got indexed within minutes and even ranking in top 3. I've not seen many of them (maybe 4-5, I don't know), but I have seen. So, for those sites Google Ads have been a ranking signal, but I'm not sure this works for all sites and across all niches. Like I said earlier, google has rules, filters and exceptions for every god damn thing under the sun, which is why you have to test and try everything yourself....

What should you do consistently to stay oriented toward long-term success, like in a 3-5 year timeframe?
in 3-5 years google might not even exist anymore as a search engine, so I wouldn't set the bar so high :)

To stay oriented toward long-term success I would say you need to never quit. Google wants to shed as many of us off the SERPs to make room for their butt-sex partners (usually the ultra filthy rich companies and individuals), and to achieve this goal they make the rules harder and harder for the little guy. So, if you want success with google you need to have a deep pocket and to stay glued to them like a tick sticks to a dog without ever giving up and the more sites of yours google tanks you double the amount of new sites that you spam google with. That's what I would do to ensure long-term success if I had money... or desire to keep playing this stupid game....

So, consistently you need to be mentally prepared for the long term (set your mind to being in the game until 2100 or until google dies, whichever comes first and then also tell to yourself that you're trying to rank sites just for the fun of it and that you won't care if they rank or make you money). This combination of goals will keep you motivated and persistent while also keeping you stress-free (because you approach long-term success with a playful, risk-free mentality)

In terms of practical things you should do what I said: aim for having 5-10 websites in different niches, on different domains (fresh, non-dropped, and expired), with different designs, with content and links of different quality and amount, etc... Just play with 5-10 sites a month to see which one sticks, do this consistently for 1 year and you will have gained more knowledge (and possibly money too) than if you were to follow a strict plan that google will try their hardest to make obsolete by next month

How do you measure the return on your actions? (How do you know if it’s worked or will work?)
if more money come in than goes out = success.

Simplistic view, I know. But that's how I see life: in simplistic terms. Perfection is almost always simple :)
 
there is a lot to know and understand.
i think the best way is just to start asking people here if u dont know something. there are many people with high knowledge here.
 
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Hey you're welcome man
 
you need to know how search engines work. And when I say search engines I do mean ALL of them as google is slowly dying for the average guy (only the rich and the nerds can make money with google nowadays), but the good news is that more and more people are moving away from google to other search engines.

Someone said 2 days ago that 70% of his traffic comes from bing, yandex and DDG and that it converts even better than google's traffic (which is understandable when you see what garbage ranks in google nowadays which forces people to use other SEs).... Another forum member had said some months ago that he's making $1000 with Bing, which might, or might not be a lot, but it's still money that can pay the bills. But the point is that other search engines become useful, so you should not limit yourself to google :)

Now, the good news is that if you learn how to rank in google you will probably rank in the other SEs on inertia since every SE is way behind google when it comes to innovations.

Now, to answer your question, I would say you should invest 2 resources into 2 different venues:

1) invest money to hire a SEO expert (a genuine one, not "experts" that will boost your site's DA for $10 on Fiverr) to teach you the dirty tricks of this industry, that most people don't know about (this will probably cost you a lot upfront, but if the expert is really an expert you will cut down the learning time by a lot)

2) invest time into this forum. Maybe you can't be on it 24/7 like many of us, but start watching the WH and BH forums and when you receive an email with a subject that sounds interesting you can click on the link to read it, even follow it so you can see what people say.

Doing this with 10-20 threads a day consistently for months will open up your eyes to a lot of things that you would not be able to learn otherwise. Just set aside 1-2 hours a day to weed through the emails and read a few threads of interest and you'll see what I mean :)

After you invest into these 2 things - and since building sites is already a 2nd nature to you - you could set up 5-10 websites per month with various scenarios (fresh domains vs expired domains, quality content + bad links vs garbage content + good links, sites with keyword research vs sites with no keyword research, etc...)

Basically, put what you've learnt into practice, but in a fun and practical way so you can have many different sources (both theoretical and practical) of comparison against each other to understand how this industry works. And I guarantee you that after 2-3 months of doing these things religiously each day (+ the knowledge you will have gotten from the real SEO expert) you will have learned about SEO more than most people do.

Of course, you will probably burn through a lot of money to run all of these tests, but they're necessary because the best SEO knowledge is the one that you acquire by testing things yourself. Despite of what you might think, or whether or not you believe it, Google does have an insane number of rules and filters for everything under the Sun. No 2 niches are identical, no 2 keywords in the same niche are identical, no 2 sites that target the same keywords in the same niche are identical, no 2 fresh or expired domains with the same authority are identical and could be treated completely differently by google based on god-knows-what rules and filters, etc...

So, it pays off to run tests yourself even if you're not going to do this long term. You said that knowing a few things about this industry before upselling SEO services would not hurt. And I agree with this. And you can get that small edge simply by investing some time and money into trying things out for 6 months let' say.... and after that you can stop trying (you should still keep on reading and learning though, as SEO is constantly changing)


if you know the theory and don't intend to practice SEO yourself not really. But if you do intend to rank sites you do want to know where you can break in as not all niches are easy to break into. For example, if your starting niches / industries are the ones below (and not only) I'd say you don't even think about it :)

- scholarships
- forex trading
- insurance (all types of insurances are tough: car, home, health, pets, etc)
- medicine and health (surgeries, weight loss, etc)
- gambling / casino
- online banking
- web hosting
- politics and news
- high ticket items (luxury resorts, cars, yachts, jewelry, etc)
- real estate and home staging
- education in general (scholarships as I mentioned earlier, but also home schooling, long distance learning, etc)
- online business
- SEO
- relationships and relationship advice
- psychology / psychiatry / hypnotism

I'm not saying that no one can rank in these industries, as people keep outranking each other each day. All I'm saying is that these industries require a lot of SEO knowledge (and not just the "white hat" type of it), but also a hefty MONTHLY budget.


if you're not stupid like me and can understand technical SEO follow @splishsplash 's posts. The guy's a genius, and some of my SEO knowledge comes from him even if I don't understand a lot of the things he says nowadays (my poor brain is focused on helping people, enjoying nature, playing video games, I have no idea about AI and LLM, about schemas and knowledge graphs, about programmatic SEO and all of those nonsense idiocies that are alien to me).

But, unfortunately, google are raising the SEO bar so high that people like me can't adapt anymore because the knowledge is too advanced and too technical (which is why I said earlier that SEO has become the heaven of geeks and nerds nowadays)

So, start following the posts of people like Splishsplash and a few others (won't name them because I don't remember their names at the moment)... oh, also @tiiberius , that guy is also good at SEO, I've learned a few things from him myself.... if you want to get into expired domains @Nargil knows more than anyone I've seen on the forum....

But there are more knowledgeable members, not just 3. But start with these and you'll learn more than John Mu can ever teach you :)


this one is tricky to answer. Personally, I have seen sites that didn't even exist in google's index, but as soon as they've bought Google Ads they got indexed within minutes and even ranking in top 3. I've not seen many of them (maybe 4-5, I don't know), but I have seen. So, for those sites Google Ads have been a ranking signal, but I'm not sure this works for all sites and across all niches. Like I said earlier, google has rules, filters and exceptions for every god damn thing under the sun, which is why you have to test and try everything yourself....


in 3-5 years google might not even exist anymore as a search engine, so I wouldn't set the bar so high :)

To stay oriented toward long-term success I would say you need to never quit. Google wants to shed as many of us off the SERPs to make room for their butt-sex partners (usually the ultra filthy rich companies and individuals), and to achieve this goal they make the rules harder and harder for the little guy. So, if you want success with google you need to have a deep pocket and to stay glued to them like a tick sticks to a dog without ever giving up and the more sites of yours google tanks you double the amount of new sites that you spam google with. That's what I would do to ensure long-term success if I had money... or desire to keep playing this stupid game....

So, consistently you need to be mentally prepared for the long term (set your mind to being in the game until 2100 or until google dies, whichever comes first and then also tell to yourself that you're trying to rank sites just for the fun of it and that you won't care if they rank or make you money). This combination of goals will keep you motivated and persistent while also keeping you stress-free (because you approach long-term success with a playful, risk-free mentality)

In terms of practical things you should do what I said: aim for having 5-10 websites in different niches, on different domains (fresh, non-dropped, and expired), with different designs, with content and links of different quality and amount, etc... Just play with 5-10 sites a month to see which one sticks, do this consistently for 1 year and you will have gained more knowledge (and possibly money too) than if you were to follow a strict plan that google will try their hardest to make obsolete by next month


if more money come in than goes out = success.

Simplistic view, I know. But that's how I see life: in simplistic terms. Perfection is almost always simple :)
Thank you for such a comprehensive answer. Like all of the people I want to get knowledge in one night, but we all do understand that there’s no knowledge without actions.

That’s a logical point of view, consistency which will give me the keys from knowledge.

I’ll definitely will hang out around here and read threads. I would say that most of the people which are seeking to become successful should be here. It feels like business school to me or kindergarten where you can ask questions about “how to take shit correctly?”. :D

I had been thinking about this too, just to hire someone, and reflect his actions.

Thank you once again
 
I've been into SEO since 2012 and I didn't learn SEO yet
and also you are the person who said that you prefer hiring people to do the job for you
all your posts here should be relevant to what you already said so you don't make contradiction and will look ...
Everyday we Get to learn new things

What worked 5 years Back that won't work now

SEO we always have to test new things, so it's an ongoing learning process always
 
@splishsplash guides are free to read on his website - that would be a good starting point.
How long it will take to master SEO is an absurd question - you'll have to experiment on your own.
 
this one is tricky to answer. Personally, I have seen sites that didn't even exist in google's index, but as soon as they've bought Google Ads they got indexed within minutes and even ranking in top 3. I've not seen many of them (maybe 4-5, I don't know), but I have seen. So, for those sites Google Ads have been a ranking signal, but I'm not sure this works for all sites and across all niches. Like I said earlier, google has rules, filters and exceptions for every god damn thing under the sun, which is why you have to test and try everything yourself....
is it real? Organic ranking in the top 3?
 
Hey man see if you started learning SEO you need to start from basic to advance concepts.
However it takes the time according to your capability and your efforts.
SEO is in till updating state.
We cant calculate timings to finish it.
We need to keep on updating.

Thank you.
 
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