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How does the competitor get ranked 1?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Bozigian, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. Bozigian

    Bozigian Junior Member

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    Hello guys.

    Im doing seo for a friends website and he is gonna pay me when the site gets to rank 1.

    I have been using seo spyglass to look for links that the top 2 competitors have.
    Here are the stats

    My friends website:
    3: pr6 links
    7: pr 3 links
    8: pr 2 links
    16: pr 1 links

    Rank 1 competitor
    1: pr5 link
    3: pr 3 links

    rank 2 competitor
    1: pr 6 links
    13: pr 3 links
    2: pr 2 links
    1: pr 1 link


    I got my friends website to around 3rd page of google. But i do not know how the competitors website are ranked higher if I put more links with high pr for my friends site.
     
  2. arasferra

    arasferra Registered Member

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    Well, if it was as simple as computing how many PR links you have versus the competition, everything would be a lot easier. But so many factors come into play in ranking certain sites for certain keywords. Domains age/trust/neighborhood, on page optimization, quality and relevancy of the incoming links. A High PR link is not always the high quality and highly relevant link for instance.

    Just try to get links from relevant pages instead of concentrating on PR. Do article marketing, and web 2.0 submission, build some profile links and try to mix in some edu links.
     
  3. Ashique

    Ashique Newbie

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    If you are friends website is new you should probably give some time coz Domain Age also does matters in SEO. Just keep building links and you will get there.

    Also you should have promised on top 3 rather than No. 1 position coz you can never be certain of anything when it comes to SEO - just my opinion.
     
  4. xrekirax

    xrekirax Newbie

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    Write three articles, spin articles using spinning software, and submit those articles to article directores (personally, I order this from a freelancer for 1000+ submits).

    Usually you'll get ~300 live links from autoapprove sites right off the bat, and you can either wait for the other backlinks to be crawled or ping them in sets (I'll do ping sets of 100 links each day). Don't know if this is as effective as it used to be after the Panda update.

    But, I'm still a noob crawling around BHW just reading.
     
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  5. Bozigian

    Bozigian Junior Member

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    Thanks guys.

    Im going to do some linkpushes
     
  6. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Maybe the competitor just has a better website with content that Google thinks is more beneficial to the users. Also, if they have a good bounce rate and have been loyally serving visitors for much longer than your friend, of course Google will consider them a stronger authority site than your friend.

    It isn't all about backlinks. Do you have any experience with Onsite seo?
     
  7. Bozigian

    Bozigian Junior Member

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    Yeah for my website. I have good onsite seo and everything.

    But for my friends, I just wondered why his competitors backlinks were not higher then my friends and how they are on top of the competition
     
  8. Shmily

    Shmily Registered Member

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    I noticed that time maybe the most important factor of SEO!

    I have a website running for about 5 years, I didn't do any backlink building, but now it is on the first position on google!
     
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  9. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    You don't need backlinks to have a decent ranked site. You also don't see the "trickle down" of authority that all the backlinks may have. You would have to study like 10 tiers of backlinks upon backlinks to really get to the root of the authority that a certain link has.

    You would also have to look at:
    Are the links all on related content pages?
    Are the links all d0follow?
    Are the links "contextual" or blog comments?
    Is the PR on the actual PAGE or the ROOT DOMAIN?
     
  10. pathart

    pathart Senior Member

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    Google loves aged domains, shows that the site is more likely to be authentic and not some short term spammers who want to make a quick buck.

    When's the last time you saw a spammers site that has been around for years? Rarely, because they are usually reported.
     
  11. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Yep, there is just so much more to Googles ranking process than just backlink building. Link Building is a great way to shoot up in the rankings, but factors such as bounce rate, new content rate, pages viewed per visitor, on-site use of keywords, outbound links on pages, number of pages indexed, age of domain all play a role.
     
  12. koo233

    koo233 Newbie

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    very nice
     
  13. spoon22

    spoon22 Regular Member

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    There are much more factors than the listed above...

    Domain Name
    Domain Age
    Content
    Outbound Links of your backlinks
    Anchor text
    Diversity
    Link velocity

    ...