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how do you rank for competitive keywords?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by genotip, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    hi
    two months ago i open this post:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/264655-any-chance-niche-market-samurai-included.html

    after almost 2 months, i'm on page 10 and just can't move forword anymore....

    i done lots of direct blasts with xr, added around 50 web properties and blast them too. also, got alot of legitimate links from around 100 sites of clients (on the footer, many links), around 50% of them are on the same server (diffurent ip from the main domain). next week will work with pligg sites to see if it helps.

    yahoo: 13K links to homepage

    opensiteexploer:
    Page Authority: 65/100
    Domain Authority: 57/100
    Linking Root Domains: 1,829
    Total Links: 18,860

    what more to need to do?
     
  2. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    These are pretty low numbers to try to take over a competitive keyword.

    78/100 75/100 4,742 44,385

    These are my numbers, and I consider them to be way too low, I am aiming for 80+.

    Even on one of my lesser sites I am at:

    73/100 67/100 1,914 7,577

    Also, how many indexed pages do you have for your website? (site:DOMAIN.COM)
    Is your website all original content, or is it copy/pasted?
    Are the footer links d0follow?
     
  3. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    yes, but look here:
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    this is page 5, for exmple.
    i'm much better and still on page 10....

    what can it be?
     
  4. -Jericho-

    -Jericho- Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    It takes time my friend. If the keyword is really competitive, SEO can take 3-6 months to get on the first page. Sometimes it's quicker just depends on the site.

    I've had some sites break the first page in a couple of months while others took me over 6 months of consistent backlinking. Personally I've found xRumer links to be less and less effective.
     
  5. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    i understand it, the thing i don't understand is that my site have better page autority, more backlinks from root domains, and more backlinks total from all the urls from page 4 and on, but still they are there - and i'm on page 10. :confused:

     
  6. -Jericho-

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    There are many factors that you may not be taking into account. Nobody knows for sure how google's algorithm works. We only guestimate based on experience.

    For me the only time I look at other websites and their backlinks is when I'm determining if it's a keyword I want to target and/or if I want to throw up backlinks on the same sites.

    Don't worry about other sites and what they have after you start. Keep the focus on your site and where it is in SERPs. The only thing you're going to do is aggravate yourself by trying to compare the two.

    The most obvious answer to your question is the authority and trust value of the backlinks to your competitors is stronger than yours.

    And forget about the software. They will never be 100% accurate. Only thing that matters is your SERPs. Just keep backlinking it and building authority within the site.
     
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  7. BigBoris

    BigBoris Regular Member

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    Only thing i can suggest is finding some high PR urls with low OBL to manually post your link on. See if quality works :)
     
  8. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    You have to also understand that tool will not take into account any negative effects that your site has if any of your backlinks ended up on porno sites, malware sites etc. Also, if anyone reported your site as spam to google, that can also have a penalty against you.
     
  9. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    100k indexed backlinks? That is likely not necessary and just lazy advice. At certain points, more backlinks are no longer the answer. For instance, I maxed out at around 60k indexed backlinks. Simply building more backlinks on unrelated pages would no longer raise my rankings. When I started building backlinks to my backlinks, I started to notice increases again. And when I started adding more content to my site, I noticed increases again.
     
  10. SimoGTR

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    Where do you find that info? I wanna give it a go :)
     
  11. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    i also thought on some negative effects there is, and tought even to do some 301 redirection to another domain, but i guess the negative effects will move to it also....

     
  12. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    opensiteexplorer.org + photoshop

     
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  13. bilbo

    bilbo Power Member

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    truly clueless. and thats for a start ::)

    whats the end game...............500k backlinks
     
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    Thanks man i gave it a go with my sites and wish i hadnt bothered looking now lol

    much love! :D
     
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    Would be funny if google decided backlinks weren't worth anything LOL

    You guys better not put all your efforts into backlinks LOL
     
  16. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    what do you think? it will be better to start this project all over again?

    i mean, to take clean domain, without black hat links pointed to it, and use the currect site as bufer site or give 301 to it?
    new site to build with only lagit links, and all the bh to move to the buffers?
     
  17. Merlin22

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    Check out Website Grader and compare the top ten sites to your site.

    Are you trying to create an Authority site, MFA or something else?
     
  18. genotip

    genotip Regular Member

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    This is a portfolio site.

    thanks

     
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    just build so many backlinks dude
     
  20. dario1977

    dario1977 Regular Member

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    Hi

    I agree, What do you think is more effective then ?