How do you live with wordpress updates?

Okay I'm done for today, going to sleep now.

You guys are gonna have to make due and make all your decisions without me now.. somehow.. good luck :(

haha :D

I'm leaving you with my favorite song in the whole world :p

 
Check out Classicpress. Stripped down version of WP. OF course it has an update cycle as well, but it isn't dumbing things down the way WP is (I'm not a fan of Gutenberg)
 
Check out Classicpress. Stripped down version of WP. OF course it has an update cycle as well, but it isn't dumbing things down the way WP is (I'm not a fan of Gutenberg)

Sure ill check when i wake up, thanks.

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So im almost asleep, and i just decided to google "wordpress sucks" to see what the haters have to say about it.

For all you "updates never broke my wordpress site" guys that live in imaginationland, here ya go

https://hackernoon.com/this-is-why-wordpress-sucks-and-you-should-probably-stop-using-it-v697y30v7
 
Try
kinsta*com
They send you notifications with security issues of any plugins you have , that way you will only take care of those specific plugins (same with WP , i usually ignore updates unless there is serious security issue)
Also always backup everything just in case , you never know what can happen !
 
That's not true. They're always breaking things.
There's something wrong with how your website is set up if the updates are breaking your website. Updates have never affected my website. Don't use plugins and themes that are no longer maintained and you should be fine. Even if you do use old themes or plugins, it shouldn't be breaking your whole website.
 
You get it. I can tell you get it.
Yeah there's no way to be bulletproof, I agree. But like, we do what we can. You host your own shit because you'll sleep better than having your website "hosted" on blogger or wordpress for free.
You host your own email for your main email because you'll sleep better than using Gmail or any other (even though I use Gmail as my main email platform, but the actual emails arrive on my self-hosted email address and then get forwarded to my gmail). So if gmail or google ever bans me, my emails continue to arrive and all is well with the world.
HTML sites rock. You don't even need to pay anyone. You can probably get hundreds if not thousands of HTML templates for all sorts of interesting sites for a few bucks, even for free, and then edit those templates to make them all nice and functional. All you really need is knowledge of HTML and CSS and you can do it. Shit, you don't even need to really know CSS other than a few basic things, the entire CSS coding is so self-explanatory (assuming you know English of course).
What's object storage? You mean like hosting (storing=hosting your object=website)?
Yeah, fucking dependencies, I also don't know how to escape it. There's always some shit breathing down your neck. There is one dependency I've managed to avoid, and that's fucking SEO and search engine traffic. Like, relying on that source of traffic to make money. So fucking slow, so fucking unreliable, so fucking fragile. I mean sure, if you rank for a high search keyword you can make serious Bank, but what are the odds, and for how long.
This is why I sell services. You get a customer, you get 1000 customers, you do a good job, you don't take the piss, they buy over and over again, for years and years, and you can sleep at night :)
So what would you use for a simple blog? Wordpress?
You know, in truth, when I think about it, the only thing Wordpress offers that I would have a hard time getting elsewhere are plugins that allow me to autopost on social media sites. I mean there's services like kuku and dlvr.it and others, but those wordpress plugins really make it easy to autoshare stuff to social media sites, and for free.
Everything else can be made anywhere else, and it wouldn't be too hard either.
  • Yeah, I try to have redundancies in-place, as well, as I'm pretty paranoid, myself.
    I run into incompetence and corruption on a constant basis, and in some cases it pays to really dog after proper resolutions, but more and more I'm finding that it's better to just be aware of the risks 5yrs in advance, and be very shrewd about how we deal with them.
    If something CAN go wrong, it will go wrong, and at the worst possible moment, right? (Murphey's Law?) :D
  • Oh, man, if you don't use Object Storage, your mind is about to explode. :o
    It's a type of elastic cloud storage, and some of the major providers have provisioned their object storage to have the ability to host static websites on a custom domain.
    GCS, AWS, Azure, Digital Ocean, and some other smaller providers all offer this feature.
    The benefit is that, instead of traditional hosting that costs a few bucks or twenty bucks per month, or something, Object Storage costs you fractions of pennies per month, per site.
    I get a bill from Azure for about $0.01 per month, I think. (minimum charge)
    It's even less than that, when you connect it with Cloudflare as your CDN, which then caches your static pages, and once that happens, there is not data egress fee from your object storage, so you pay even less. (LoL)
    Cloudflare's free plan is all you need, and allows you to use one page rule to redirect to https, which they also provide for free. :)
    This is how you pay $12 for 100yrs of hosting. (hehehehehe) :rolleyes:
    If you don't have something like this setup, just shoot me a message, and I'd be happy to send my video on the process. (it's easy)
  • Yeah, everyone talks about SEO like it's easy, but I've been doing it several years, now, and you are totally right, it's unpredictable.
    I've seen better benefits from $5 posts than $100+ posts, and I've seen big posts fall flat.
    I've seen pages with no unique content or links rank for no reason, and I've seen pages never rank that have awesome content and/or great link structures.
    In my experience, it's a numbers game... you do an average of diverse SEO activities, and you'll always see the impressions climb upwards on your GSC dashboard.
    I'd also say that the highest quality links certainly give a better ROI, but there are risks, there, as well.
    It's all calculated risk, but yeah, from a business standpoint, it sounds like you've had more predictable traffic methods for your clients, and that's clearly a better business strategy.
    That's pretty much the biggest reason I've had a hard time scaling SEO client work, because most clients won't stay committed.
    It has taken me this long to realize that the best way to sell SEO is to not actually sell SEO, but rather small retainers for content marketing and blogging.
    From that angle, you can build the content base of the client, and your retain the retainer pretty much indefinitely, because even at $50/mo, you can see progress with their sites, as long as there is content being pushed-out, and with more authority they will eventually be much easier to rank whatever you want.
    I realized this just this past month, so I'm getting ready to pivot my offerings in a pretty big way.
    Tiny but scalable content marketing, and whopping link packages. (nothing inbetween... LoL)
  • You can still push content with static, it's just a little extra work to format it, and you could always have someone do all that for you, technically.
    For a CMS dash, with login capability, I'd use Tumblr! LoL
    The Wordpress company owns Tumblr, you know... pretty interesting.
    They deploy like static sites, but then the backend allows you to manage posts, and they are supported by many of the syndication tools out-there.
    There's also Medium, but it costs money to host a custom domain.
    Tumblr is completely free hosting, and it costs nothing to connect your custom domain.
    It also doesn't have restrictions in terms of account creation, like other social media platforms.
  • Yes, for the lack of plugins, you are pushing the cost and difficulty at the platform level, and shifting it to other dependencies, if they are needed.
    Many sites don't need anything extra.
    There are plenty of tools to push from RSS, which makes Tumblr easy, and some of them might be able to push from sitemap, which would still make static viable for some types of automation.
    They have SOME benefits, because whenever I do posts to hashtags, I get some likes and new follows, but truthfully I'm not sure that it's a big enough benefit to spend as much time as I've spent trying to automate it all.
    I recently started using DLVR.IT, and have been loving it, but the costs to scale with it are high... at least for projects that are brand new, and not bringing-in any residuals, yet.
    Once something starts bringing-in several bucks per month, then it evens-out, I guess.
    In my experience, though, if you really wanna do well at building a following on a social media platform, you have to be directly active on that platform, for the most part.
    YouTube is SEO oriented, so that would be an exception, but for everything else, you have to be in the mix doing comments and increasing engagements, so it's not as passively beneficial.
    So, when I think about it, there are a lot of things that aren't even necessary.
    I have some unique analytics things I use, but they are lighter weight than Google Analytics, so it works well with the Static method.
    I also use Switchy, which allows for custom domain shortened links.
    Mailing list tools have to be independent anyways.
    Forms can utilize free routing services, or you can pay for a service, or just use a cheap form tool, and since the nicer features require a paid tool, anyways, this isn't a big deal.
    For some sites, I don't even use a form, and I'll just put an email alias improperly formatted, so it doesn't get scraped easily.
    For payments, you can use a form with payments, or something like Chargedesk, or any number of independent cart systems. (better this way, anyways)
    For all the extra stuff in your external kit, most of them can be applied to a large (or at-least scalable) number of sites, as well.
    So, unless you spend a lot of money on really fancy Wordpress hosting, or multi-site madness, you aren't gonna get the better top-down view (per dollar) of your infrastructure and assets with WP.
  • From several tabs, you can see everything you are doing across your assets, and you can do so for a fraction of a fraction of the cost, by comparison. :o
    You do have to make some adjustments with this approach, but if you are shrewd, you can dramatically drop your costs per site, and your maintenance per site, among other things.
    It allows you to shift your focus to content and money making activities, and that's how it should be.
    You can keep Wordpress sites simple, also, and deal with fewer problems than normal, but it's still enough problems to make it a hassle.
    Sites don't go down for any reason in a static infrastructure, unless your CDN fails for some reason, which is very unlikely.
    Even if your object storage has issues, if the content is cached, you are still LIVE. (LoL)
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How do you guys live with wordpress updates?

The updates happen every other day, and each update breaks at least 3 things.

So do you guys have a developer on full time payroll or what do you do about it?

I FUCKING HATE UPDATES!!!

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How I dealt with it, in my infinite wisdom, is I simply brought my site to a functional state, and then I killed all updates. Nothing ever gets updated = nothing ever breaks

This works guaranteed no problem, you can enjoy your life.

However, as time goes by various security vulnerabilities get discovered for your outdated wordpress/theme/plugins, and so they get updated to patch the holes. But since your stuff isn't being updated, in time you become most vulnerable to getting hacked.

Also your sites may get slow, because the world moves on, PHP versions get updated, browsers get updated, all that shit, and you're just running outdated code.

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Having said that, I'm thinking to continue this practice of not updating anything, and then go in once every 6 or 12 months and update everything.

When I update everything. 997 things are going to break on the website, and I'll sit down and fix them all.

And once I'm done, I can forget about it for another 6-12 months.

This I can live with, if I must, since I must... :weep:

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Just to say, my favorite website in the whole wide world is my first website where I ever made any real money.

I won't share it here because it could be considered self-promotion, but this website is pretty much only HTML and CSS, and a bit of PHP. But the PHP is mostly just there in order to allow me to change some things from a central config.php file, nothing else. And maybe for the contact form process too.

This website is 7 years old, and hasn't been updated once. I have no idea if it's, like, exploitable, vulnerable to getting hacked, but I never had any problems with it. Come to think of it, I should really get someone to take a look at the site and tell me if there's any holes that can be exploited by hackers there.

But there's a good chance there aren't any. The site is simple, with the most basic and uncomplicated code. There's no fancy shit for someone to fancily fuck!

This site just works, forever, I don't have to think of it for one second. Maybe I should just stick to using such simple sites for all my needs, and have peace in my life. Meh...

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Anyway, how do you live with your stupid retarded idiotic constantly updating and breaking wordpress shitty sites?

Thanks :)
My hosting provider does that for me mate
 
Never happened to me, if you mean PHP update. You need to backup your site with a plugin before that and try if it's compatible with your theme and plugins. Mine site had increased performance a little bit after the update.
 
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ignoring it for the time being until im bothered to go test it out/after my host confirms everything is somewhat good to go haha
 
Yeah, I try to have redundancies in-place, as well, as I'm pretty paranoid, myself.
I run into incompetence and corruption on a constant basis, and in some cases it pays to really dog after proper resolutions, but more and more I'm finding that it's better to just be aware of the risks 5yrs in advance, and be very shrewd about how we deal with them.
If something CAN go wrong, it will go wrong, and at the worst possible moment, right? (Murphey's Law?) :D

Oh yeah, definitely. Incompetence is rampant. Unfortunately there's no way to predict everything that can go wrong. But rest assured that it will, sooner or later :D

And Murphy's law. I live by that :p

Oh, man, if you don't use Object Storage, your mind is about to explode. :eek:
It's a type of elastic cloud storage, and some of the major providers have provisioned their object storage to have the ability to host static websites on a custom domain.
GCS, AWS, Azure, Digital Ocean, and some other smaller providers all offer this feature.
The benefit is that, instead of traditional hosting that costs a few bucks or twenty bucks per month, or something, Object Storage costs you fractions of pennies per month, per site.
I get a bill from Azure for about $0.01 per month, I think. (minimum charge)
It's even less than that, when you connect it with Cloudflare as your CDN, which then caches your static pages, and once that happens, there is not data egress fee from your object storage, so you pay even less. (LoL)
Cloudflare's free plan is all you need, and allows you to use one page rule to redirect to https, which they also provide for free. :)
This is how you pay $12 for 100yrs of hosting. (hehehehehe) :rolleyes:
If you don't have something like this setup, just shoot me a message, and I'd be happy to send my video on the process. (it's easy)

Okay, see, that is very interesting, and I've never heard of it. BHW really dropped the ball not telling me haha :D

I may shoot you a message about it at some point. Right now I'm trying to dig myself out of the mouth of an alligator, so once I'm done with that and out of the swamp, I may be in touch :)

Yeah, everyone talks about SEO like it's easy, but I've been doing it several years, now, and you are totally right, it's unpredictable.
I've seen better benefits from $5 posts than $100+ posts, and I've seen big posts fall flat.
I've seen pages with no unique content or links rank for no reason, and I've seen pages never rank that have awesome content and/or great link structures.
In my experience, it's a numbers game... you do an average of diverse SEO activities, and you'll always see the impressions climb upwards on your GSC dashboard.
I'd also say that the highest quality links certainly give a better ROI, but there are risks, there, as well.
It's all calculated risk, but yeah, from a business standpoint, it sounds like you've had more predictable traffic methods for your clients, and that's clearly a better business strategy.
That's pretty much the biggest reason I've had a hard time scaling SEO client work, because most clients won't stay committed.
It has taken me this long to realize that the best way to sell SEO is to not actually sell SEO, but rather small retainers for content marketing and blogging.
From that angle, you can build the content base of the client, and your retain the retainer pretty much indefinitely, because even at $50/mo, you can see progress with their sites, as long as there is content being pushed-out, and with more authority they will eventually be much easier to rank whatever you want.
I realized this just this past month, so I'm getting ready to pivot my offerings in a pretty big way.
Tiny but scalable content marketing, and whopping link packages. (nothing inbetween... LoL)

My main "job" is selling social media services. And one of the things I like best about it is that it's quantifiable. It's tangible.

You buy 500 likes for your Facebook page, and your page has 10 likes now, and when the work is completed your page has 530 likes. It's there, it's right there, you can see it, taste it, smell it, you got what you paid for. There's no buts, ifs or maybes.

And it works, for the most part. Of course, you can get deeper into that and find issues with speed of delivery and likers quality and stick-rate, but for the most part it's very easy to measure and everybody is happy-ish. I like that :)

If I was selling SEO-services, I could never sell magic. You know, buy my offer and we'll do XYZ and you'll rank. And then they buy and don't rank, and you have to deal with the bullshit. I'd much prefer to sell measurable things, like, 1,000 backlinks, or an article, or anything that you buy, and you get, and we're done. I don't guarantee anything other than... exactly what you paid me for :)

You can still push content with static, it's just a little extra work to format it, and you could always have someone do all that for you, technically.
For a CMS dash, with login capability, I'd use Tumblr! LoL
The Wordpress company owns Tumblr, you know... pretty interesting.
They deploy like static sites, but then the backend allows you to manage posts, and they are supported by many of the syndication tools out-there.
There's also Medium, but it costs money to host a custom domain.
Tumblr is completely free hosting, and it costs nothing to connect your custom domain.
It also doesn't have restrictions in terms of account creation, like other social media platforms.

No way man. If Tumblr bans me, it's done. If my hosting bans me, I can host elsewhere in 5 minutes. It's just, I just can't do it. Tumblr, Blogger, Wordpress.com, Mickey Mouse :p

Yes, for the lack of plugins, you are pushing the cost and difficulty at the platform level, and shifting it to other dependencies, if they are needed.
Many sites don't need anything extra.
There are plenty of tools to push from RSS, which makes Tumblr easy, and some of them might be able to push from sitemap, which would still make static viable for some types of automation.
They have SOME benefits, because whenever I do posts to hashtags, I get some likes and new follows, but truthfully I'm not sure that it's a big enough benefit to spend as much time as I've spent trying to automate it all.
I recently started using DLVR.IT, and have been loving it, but the costs to scale with it are high... at least for projects that are brand new, and not bringing-in any residuals, yet.
Once something starts bringing-in several bucks per month, then it evens-out, I guess.
In my experience, though, if you really wanna do well at building a following on a social media platform, you have to be directly active on that platform, for the most part.
YouTube is SEO oriented, so that would be an exception, but for everything else, you have to be in the mix doing comments and increasing engagements, so it's not as passively beneficial.
So, when I think about it, there are a lot of things that aren't even necessary.
I have some unique analytics things I use, but they are lighter weight than Google Analytics, so it works well with the Static method.
I also use Switchy, which allows for custom domain shortened links.
Mailing list tools have to be independent anyways.
Forms can utilize free routing services, or you can pay for a service, or just use a cheap form tool, and since the nicer features require a paid tool, anyways, this isn't a big deal.
For some sites, I don't even use a form, and I'll just put an email alias improperly formatted, so it doesn't get scraped easily.
For payments, you can use a form with payments, or something like Chargedesk, or any number of independent cart systems. (better this way, anyways)
For all the extra stuff in your external kit, most of them can be applied to a large (or at-least scalable) number of sites, as well.
So, unless you spend a lot of money on really fancy Wordpress hosting, or multi-site madness, you aren't gonna get the better top-down view (per dollar) of your infrastructure and assets with WP.

Social media, I pretty much have pages for all of my websites, and I have fake-ish likes and followers on all of them, just to appear "popular". And I autopost to them, either by using wordpress plugins or sites like dlvr.it and others. You know for me it's not even about being really popular on the social media sites, it's more about pushing content and having a presence and getting the low-hanging fruit.

Because I tried going the social media route and do it legit, and around the same time a friend of mine just went full spam. This was years ago, and we both were doing SMM (Social media marketing) type selling. Well eventually SMM got a bad rep and my websites got banned on many of the social media sites, and many of my social media pages and accounts got banned. My friend on the other hand, he didn't care, he was spamming with bots and all that kinda stuff.

So in the end I was left with nothing, trying to be "legit" and build a "brand". Fucking idiot haha. My friend made more money than me that's for sure.

Of course, my friend is gone now, and I'm still banking. But that's just because I'm resourceful and I keep finding ways to keep going, and I'm also crazy and I won't go away lol :D

And one thing is for sure. The website that gave me the least headache in terms of owning and operating it was a simple HTML site. The only PHP the site has is just a bit of code to allow me to edit certain things from a central config.php file. Like, the site has 300 pages, and each of them has a footer with this shit - Copyrights 2014-2021

Now 2022 comes in, and I gotta change it to 2014-2022. Years ago I'd do shit like that manually on each page. No matter how fast you go, it's total droid work and a total waste of time.

Of course then I discovered Notepad++ and the mass-edit feature, so I could download the site and edit everything in 3 clicks.

But then I understood how the php on the site was used for other things, and I edited each page to make that footer date changeable from that central config file. And now, every January of a new year I go to the config file and change that to update the year, and I move on with my life.

Ah, the things we do :D

From several tabs, you can see everything you are doing across your assets, and you can do so for a fraction of a fraction of the cost, by comparison. :eek:
You do have to make some adjustments with this approach, but if you are shrewd, you can dramatically drop your costs per site, and your maintenance per site, among other things.
It allows you to shift your focus to content and money making activities, and that's how it should be.
You can keep Wordpress sites simple, also, and deal with fewer problems than normal, but it's still enough problems to make it a hassle.
Sites don't go down for any reason in a static infrastructure, unless your CDN fails for some reason, which is very unlikely.
Even if your object storage has issues, if the content is cached, you are still LIVE. (LoL)
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Just moneymaking activities, as it should be, definitely :D

Yeah hahahaha right? Even if your cached page is being shown and it's a static page, I mean, fuck me, people can even buy from your cached page like if you have a paypal or payeer or any sort of buy button on your site. The cached page will still take a person clicking the buy button to the next page of the payment processor and allow them to pay. And even if you have a return URL they'll be brought back to it.

Of course, if they have to submit something on the return URL page in order to send you the info you need to complete their order, they won't be able to do it. But that doesn't matter because you'll receive an email about having received a payment, and you'll probably be aware your site is swimming with the fishes for the moment, and then you can contact the customers and get things cooking.

Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Unlike stupid fucking sites where people have to login and bla bla bla yada yada yada meh :p

Great fucking photo :p

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ignoring it for the time being until im bothered to go test it out/after my host confirms everything is somewhat good to go haha

I just finished cleaning up one of my wordpress sites and bringing it up to date. Removing plugins, replacing plugins, updating plugins, dealing with spam and other comments, running wordfence scans, the whole thing.

And now the last thing I have to do is update wordpress, and I am looking at the exact same thing as the photo you shared.

FUCK! :D
 
I just finished cleaning up one of my wordpress sites and bringing it up to date. Removing plugins, replacing plugins, updating plugins, dealing with spam and other comments, running wordfence scans, the whole thing.

And now the last thing I have to do is update wordpress, and I am looking at the exact same thing as the photo you shared.

FUCK! :D
Oh yeah, it's a complete pain in the ass.
now if you have multiple sites like myself, holy shit, just kill me already.
I know some of my sites are still running on 5.6 and some are on 5.7 too
simply because there just isn't enough time in the day... (even if there is, there a limit to my own sanity too)
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Or make more money doing what you are really good at in the boring time it takes you to administer your sites. Hard choice .. Hmm .. Not really .. ;-)
don't touch what isn't broken though
= potential to create more trouble
 
I update dozens of sites via script, a member shared it here, it changed my life, immediately I never update anything, it will be a problem!

I use Cpanel which helps a lot in control and updates, and security issues, I have some layers of protection, have a good server, I recommend dedicated, try using private ip for your site, some servers sell this separately, like namecheap.

I've never had security issues or updates conflicts, I've been using wordpress for a long time
 
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