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How are they doing it?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Zizou10, May 31, 2014.

  1. Zizou10

    Zizou10 Junior Member

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    There is a keyword that gets millions of searches every month. Most of the sites on the first page have like 400-600 backlinks, and were registered like 2 months ago. Ahrefs says they don't have any 301 redirects. How are they getting them to the top page?
     
  2. leobar

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    it depends on niche, backlinks, on page seo , relativity of backlinks...........
    also dont forget, new pages get a boost for some period of time, and then go back to where they must.
    it is a favor period from google so they get a taste of 1st page and then if they cant rank well, they start paying AdWords.....
    Churn and Burn - New domain
    Long term - aged domain.

    Best Wishes.
    Leobar!
     
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  3. Zizou10

    Zizou10 Junior Member

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    How long does churn and burn last? Also, can you 301 redirect a domain with irrelevant links to your site for churn and burn?

    Thanks.
     
  4. andrewabd

    andrewabd Registered Member

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    Ahrefs, Majestic SEO and many other tools are becoming useless day by day .. all blog networks even smart 301 domains are blocking them .. you need to ask those guys to give you access to their GWT to have a closer look :)
     
  5. Zizou10

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    So big chances they are using a 301 redirect right?
     
  6. SEOShine

    SEOShine Registered Member

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    The use of 301 can be hidden - just block the ahrefs or similar bot from accessing the 303 domain by using /robots.txt or .htaccess.

    Also, if they are using private blog networks, the onwer also can block ahrefs so no links would be shown while the site itself is being saturated with links.

    Many possibilities if you can think creatively.
     
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    judif414 Regular Member

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    You won't even know they 301 if they're smart. They use web 2.0s to cloak the redirects...
     
  8. Zombie Pop

    Zombie Pop Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    they could also have links from private blog networks that block backlink checkers. do you know how to scrape back links with scrapebox (not using the back link checker addon)? I use scrapebox as a last ditch effort to find out more about a competitor's rankings if I feel like I'm not seeing the whole picture. It's helped me out a few times. It requires a little extra effort than just typing in a URL though ;)
     
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    Techxan Elite Member

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    The sooner you learn that SEO isn't only building backlinks, the better off you will be.
     
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    What kind of links they have, blog network links or may be footer links from non English sites?
     
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    WORK@HOME Senior Member

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    Actually google search is different and uses your location to give you search results. So 10,000 can search the same keyword and get different results.Turn off location and clear web history and cookies and try your search again.
     
  12. Zizou10

    Zizou10 Junior Member

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    Seriously man, use a little common sense. A 2 month old domain ranking page one for a keywords that gets like 3 million searches a month. Yes, I'm sure the owner did some great high quality SEO in the span of 2 months.
     
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    arganrecords Elite Member

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    Quality backlinks and hidden backlinks are the secret. I think only this sites can have the answer to the hidden backlinks. It's true, Majestic Seo & Ahrefs are not 100% closer to the real status of the backlink history for one site.
     
  14. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Looks like somebody is targeting that niche and all the results on the first page are probably owned by the same guy.
    Monitor and research it and see how long it lasts.

    And as somebody has already said, Ahrefs and the other tools can only show you so much.
     
  15. Nagelstudio

    Nagelstudio Newbie

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    Send me the keyword / Site and i will tell you - the last weeks i saw a lot of sites that use 301 and they all block ahrefs etc. via htaccess. but they can't block my german seo software, because their bot is mostly unknown ;-)