High PR Society under siege

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It's like World War 3 out there. Appreciate their quick updates.

Network Deindexing and High PR Society

Heya -

I've always been completely transparent with our operations and this email is an effort to keep you in the loop with what is going on with our site and networks in general...

Please read this ENTIRE email. All of your questions will be answered either here or in our forum.

Around a month ago several networks - SEO Nitro (Dori Friend), HomePageBacklinks.com (Terry Kyle), Backlink Monster (Brad Callen), etc - got largely deindexed by Google. As soon as that happened we locked down HPS to new users, changed hosting, and went underground as best we could. Our goal was to protect the service for our users and ourself.

Unfortunately, a few days ago our luck ran out. A bit more than half of our sites were deindexed. We've seen sites drop and come back, but I don't think that's going to happen this time.

While we planned for a 10-20% drop in PR/indexing every month, we'd been lucky enough to have less than 1% drop each month. In our case, we had "quality" sites and the PR stuck. Losing sites is normal and expected for every network, including ours.

There is a lot of chatter in the forums, and many of us large network owners have been talking behind the scenes about what the cause is/was.

If you want to read my take on the network deindexing reasons, check it out in our forum: http://forums.hkseo.us/Thread-The-recent-network-deindexing-problems
Now for the good news...

We closed down HPS to new members well before we were at capacity. Our current sites are at ~70% utilization AND we have at least 600 completely unused PR sites. We have enough sites to replace the ones that were lost.
We're also in discussions with possible domainer partners to add even more.

Unfortunately setting up 50%+ of our sites is a large undertaking, so it's going to take us a few days to bring the new sites online and replace the old ones. Please be patient with us while this happens.

I'll email to let you know when the transition is complete.
What does this mean to you:

Your articles and comments will not be going out across deindexed sites. No need to worry!
If you have a home page or contextual link on a now-dead site, we'll move it to a valid site automatically. This has always happened and will continue to do so, typically on Friday.
We may not have enough PR4s to move all the links. If that happens, we'll move you to a PR3 and charge the lower price. If we happen to run out of PR3s then we'll remove the link completely. (We haven't done the full analysis so I'm not sure if this is going to happen, but I want to make you aware.)
The average PR was ~2.6. I expect that this may drop down to 2.2. I'll let you know when we have a final total. (This is still higher than any other network that I'm aware of.)

We also may change the way the site works to make it more exclusive and effective for current members. That may mean:

Split into two services for larger accounts and smaller ones.
Raising prices so we can be ready with more domains should this happen again.
Setting up several smaller/isolated networks instead of one large one.

If you have an opinion, please pop into our discussion thread here:
http://forums.hkseo.us/Thread-HPS-and-Deindexing

My commitment is in delivering sites and services that help rank your keywords. We've had a week-long (and expensive) setback due to Google, but we were well prepared and will be back to full strength in a few days. No big deal!



Justin "Keeping up the good fight!" Anderson
HKSEO

This isn't the end of the world. It just means some overtime for the HKSEO team for the next few days. And it should remind ALL SEOs about the importance of using diversity in link building.

And an update:

Here is an insiders update on the network deindexing issue going on right now. Feel free to comment or ask questions in here so we can get a discussion going.


Build My Rank
- Private network (All sites are theirs, possible footprint)
- Highest quality articles. Each had to pass copyscape and make sense.
- They announced yesterday that they were hit in a major way, some people claiming 100% deindexing.

Article Links Network
- Public network (The sites aren't theirs. Small/no footprint)
- Spammed to death. Blogs would get tons of posts a day, would accept junk content.
- They announced that they've lost more than 1/3 of their 15,000+ sites.

Private Network Owner "J"
- Fully private network of over 2000 sites. Only he posted on the network.
- Content was average quality.
- Lost 90% around a month ago.

As "J" lost his network, we compared notes. Our network was staying alive while his was getting destroyed. As it turns out, we were both using SEOHosting.com. We both had multiple servers with them and we noticed that his servers were getting taken down one by one. We had overlap with him on one server, and that server had around 50% deindexing for us. That day we moved hosting and locked things down and everything has been great for a month.

He did everything right with his network footprint, just like we did. The networks were as invisible to bots as they could be. Dynamic HTML and CSS. Spun privacy policies and nav titles. Varying OBL and pagination. Even diverse name servers. But what we found was that all of our sites resolved into SEOHosting IP space. So even though they have a bazillion IPs, that is a probable footprint.

That tells me that from the nameserver IPs, Google knew the sites to look and (probably) stuck all sites in that IP range into manual review. That explains how they were walking down his servers day by day as he watched.

At the same time, look at ALN which doesn't share these same characteristics at all. I haven't looked at their code, but I suspect they had little to no footprint because each site was owned by different individuals. The fact that 1/3 of their network has been hit tells me that this is a totally manual unraveling of their network. Someone is taking the time to take them down.

What are the lessons learned?
- Be as diverse as ALN with IPs and hosting. Make it hard on Google to trace out the network.
- Keep the networks as closed as possible. Make smaller networks to diversify risk.
- Continue diverse link building. Putting all eggs in one basket is risky, as we've seen.
- Article quality makes zero difference in the network staying alive.


In the end, what does this mean? How long until Google moves on to more important things like actually making search better? What happens when someone decides to make a product around attack based SEO (which we've tested extensively and proved is possible a year ago)? Who knows...

We're in it for the long haul with you, though...
 

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We all knew google had people trawling forums etc, now we know they have a strategy to beat all our best efforts, seems that like many organisations as they grow they like to maximise profit and minimise effort this requires getting rid of small guys and concentrating efforts on helping big guys, This is bad for everyone in the long run as soon prices go up etc.

It is important that we keep going and if attack based SEO works maybe this will at least let them know it is a fight not a capitulation.
 

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Let me Hi Jack your thread a bit but is it worth getting any links form them ...
 

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I guess the take away point here is to not use SEOHosting.com...
 

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Think it's still safe to be using HPRS?

Hard to say for sure... but the couple of sites that I used them on heavily are beginning to recover a good bit, so I'm assuming they are moving the links to indexed blogs... its a good sign to be sure!
 

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Hard to say for sure... but the couple of sites that I used them on heavily are beginning to recover a good bit, so I'm assuming they are moving the links to indexed blogs... its a good sign to be sure!

Thanks!

I believe this the only network that has actually had a backup plan in place, and they are taking action as we speak.

I do like to keep an open mind though, and tend to block about anything that blog network owners say as it is usually bullshit (obv to cover their business) unless other members can provide info.
 

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this is manual de-indexing...i don't believe google can do this algorithmically...too many false positives...
 
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Thanks!

I believe this the only network that has actually had a backup plan in place, and they are taking action as we speak.

I do like to keep an open mind though, and tend to block about anything that blog network owners say as it is usually bullshit (obv to cover their business) unless other members can provide info.

Here's info.
When HPRS started they had EVERY site of theirs on the SAME IP.
This came to light and people complained, so they said they fixed it.
Now it has come to light they were using SEOhosting, which might as well be the SAME IP.
If that's not enough of a redflag to stay away, I don't know what is.
You're telling me a 'company' who made these basic noob mistakes, have a backup plan?
 

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Here's info.
When HPRS started they had EVERY site of theirs on the SAME IP.
This came to light and people complained, so they said they fixed it.
Now it has come to light they were using SEOhosting, which might as well be the SAME IP.
If that's not enough of a redflag to stay away, I don't know what is.
You're telling me a 'company' who made these basic noob mistakes, have a backup plan?

In terms of deindexing, yes.

They added a bunch of new domains.

In terms of the private aspect of the network, no.
 

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About 3 weeks ago, one $10 blast of article on HPS got one of my sites out of sandbox, using footprint, I found 70 of articles indexed within 1 week.

Now when I search for that footprint, I find 3 indexed articles, out of which 2 domains are now parked. 1 article is live. What can I say, HPS was a good network, which gave me good results on 3 sites just for $10 per each, but I'm not sure how it is now... I'll try to test later
 

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Here's info.
When HPRS started they had EVERY site of theirs on the SAME IP.
This came to light and people complained, so they said they fixed it.
Now it has come to light they were using SEOhosting, which might as well be the SAME IP.
If that's not enough of a redflag to stay away, I don't know what is.
You're telling me a 'company' who made these basic noob mistakes, have a backup plan?
Remember that just before the recent blog network carnage, HPRS closed their network to new members and at the same time 'claimed' that they weren't affected by de-indexing.

In the last few days, they now claim that half their network is de-indexed. Something doesn't add up.

HarrisonHill said:
Now when I search for that footprint, I find 3 indexed articles, out of which 2 domains are now parked. 1 article is live.
There are many similar experiences across the forums.
 

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Just check the ezine articles traffic, they've been hit very bad:
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there might be paid mole from google in these high pr network and also the forums like these it is impossible for google to use algorithm
 

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The monkeys at google can't program a decent algorithm. So they are manipulating the SERPS by manual intervention. Way to go google!!
 

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there might be paid mole from google in these high pr network and also the forums like these it is impossible for google to use algorithm

That's exactly what my point which I have been expressing in other threads already ... there's namely no question in my mind that our forum's best 'twists', 'tricks', 'strategies', etc ... are THE inspiration source for Google's best skilled apes ... who in their turn are sent to manually shut verything down, which among others have been mentioned here.

I wouldn't also be surprised, if some of those high-skilled apes had made it up into the Executive-VIP regions of this forum.
Not surprised at all.
 

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I posted a theory about private blog networks deindex in HKSEO forums, i will just quote my post here in order to tell me your opinions about that

Hello,

As far as I understand you believe that one reason that your network got deindexed was that you were using seo hosting with different c class ips instead of multiple hosting companies.

Anyway that's what I found recently, I have a small local seo company and I recently got a new client, as I always do the 1st step was to analyze competition and check their backlinks. In the spot #1,#2 of my client keywords i found 2 sites that have hired another competive seo company. I started digging their backlinks and I found out that their backlinks were mainly from this competive seo company private blog network. Their blog network had theese characteristics:

1)Unique, Informative, Original Content , lots of images and youtube videos
2)Mixed content, some content had backlinks and some content absolutely no backlinks
3)contact us page, privacy policy pages etc
4)SEO hosting different c class IPs for each site in this network

So they had a pretty nice small private network, and they did a really great job to look as normal sites. Anyway today i checked them again, and their whole network was deindexed! So they had the same "problem" as your network, SEO hosting using different c class IPs. My point is that is perhaps the reason of deindexing, that's the way that google found out all theese blog networks ?

This network was just a small fish in the sea, it was built nice and it really did not look as one but it still got deindexed. What are your opinions on that?
 
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