Hesitating with such niches

Cashington · Dec 21, 2014

I'm launching a new journey in clickbank ,I see some sale potential in some niches .
But I find it not ethical to start promoting them , niches like ; diabetes cure, hearing loss cure, blabla.. we all know that they're shit*ing them with not-working cures or methods.
Plus I can't contact the vendors, its like they're hiding lol

What do you think guys? Should I feel okay because clickbank offers a refund?
I'm really hesitating alot about this.

Nut-Nights · Dec 21, 2014

Only money matters.

Freddyjames · Dec 21, 2014

I don't see why people get so worried about promoting products that help with diabetes.

All you will be doing as an affiliate, is directing people to where they WANT to go. If someone came up to you in the street and asked you where the nearest palm reader was, would you not tell them if you knew? You know that palm reading is a bunch of crap, but they want to go there so why not tell them?

People who spend money on a product that helps with diabetes will eventually buy that product, or something similar down the line, regardless of whether you point them in that direction or not.

And if they are not happy, they can get their money back. Besides that, the diabetes product must have a lot of useful info in it, otherwise it would not be so popular.

My advice to anyone with morality concerns about products on CB is this: Stop putting obstacles in front of your success. If you don't want to promote health products, there are plenty of products in the dating and MMO niches.

Or would you find it morally wrong to help people find love or make money too?

In my opinion, the only immoral thing you could do is let a sucker keep his money - that's a sin in my view.

I would add this though: If a vendor does not respond to an email, I would move on and promote a product from one that does instead, regardless of the product or niche it is in.

rjd1265 · Dec 21, 2014

This product I am promoting was called "crap" by someone on this forum.

Crap or not people found a use for it.

BassTrackerBoats · Dec 21, 2014

Freddyjames said:
If a vendor does not respond to an email, I would move on and promote a product from one that does instead, regardless of the product or niche it is in.

I do a bit of CB and agree with this 100%. There are plenty of vendors that want to be involved in seeing you successful and respond in a timely manner to emails.

I-marketer · Dec 21, 2014

I came across many types of vendors. Most of them are friendly, willing to help and respond within 24 hours, as it should be.
Some douchebags thought I was a competition who is doing market research to develop own product and some never bothered to reply. In such cases I move on.

fitnah · Dec 21, 2014

If you know that product is shit
Than you are promoting shit product

If you have moral then don't do it

Cashington · Dec 21, 2014

@FreddyJames thanks for your time , I'm considering doing the promotion after all .

& Yes I'm trying to contact him , I'm not gonna put money & time into someone's produdct who doesnt care about reading his mail

a-jani · Dec 22, 2014

Watch out promoting diabetes cures. You could get sued if someone dies doing one of them. Diabetes is a life threatening illness. An ebook isn't going to fix that.

Freddyjames · Dec 22, 2014

a-jani said:
Watch out promoting diabetes cures. You could get sued if someone dies doing one of them. Diabetes is a life threatening illness. An ebook isn't going to fix that.

The medical disclaimer at the beginning of any ebook will proyect against any sort of prosecution.

Besides, I hardly think anyone with diabetes will die by eating a better diet and exercising more.

kakabong · Dec 22, 2014

If you feel unethical promoting clickbank products, there are a lot of other affiliate revenues out there like Amazon, smaller affiliate portals out there if you look harder...

And like others have said.. there are "more legitimate" products on Clickbank too, like software which really helps. All of these are just excuses our mind constantly comes up with to prevent us from doing the things we really want.. especially if we are starting something new and don't have much belief in ourselves

mancar487 · Dec 22, 2014

Cashington said:
I'm launching a new journey in clickbank ,I see some sale potential in some niches .
But I find it not ethical to start promoting them , niches like ; diabetes cure, hearing loss cure, blabla.. we all know that they're shit*ing them with not-working cures or methods.
Plus I can't contact the vendors, its like they're hiding lol

What do you think guys? Should I feel okay because clickbank offers a refund?
I'm really hesitating alot about this.

I just want to drop in to say that some "miracle cures" do have some truth in them. For example, it is now know that type 2 diabetes can indeed be cured - look up studies from Newcastle University. I know because before switching to IM full time I was a clinical dietetic researcher. This cure basically involves a VERY low calorie diet for some weeks. The mechanisms are still being explored, but it is thought that such a diet depletes the liver of intrahepatic fat and this restores the cell's sensitivity to insulin due to a change in the ratio of saturated:unsaturated fatty acids in the cell's membrane. Ion channels sit on top of cell membrane and a slight change in shape of the membrane will alter their shape, resulting in impaired function.

Sure, there needs to be larger studies to confirm this effect, and the advertisements for such cures are often hyped up...but which kinds of ads aren't? In addition, as these diets are very low in calories, they might be unsafe for some people and should be carried out only under supervision of a health professional - again, this is covered by CB products as they would have the medical disclaimer and state that a doctor needs to be consulted first.

As I've always said, if in doubt about a product's quality, contact the vendor for a review copy and judge for yourself. If the vendor does not reply, DO NOT PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCT!

Mancar

Cashington · Dec 23, 2014

mancar487 said:
I just want to drop in to say that some "miracle cures" do have some truth in them. For example, it is now know that type 2 diabetes can indeed be cured - look up studies from Newcastle University. I know because before switching to IM full time I was a clinical dietetic researcher. This cure basically involves a VERY low calorie diet for some weeks. The mechanisms are still being explored, but it is thought that such a diet depletes the liver of intrahepatic fat and this restores the cell's sensitivity to insulin due to a change in the ratio of saturated:unsaturated fatty acids in the cell's membrane. Ion channels sit on top of cell membrane and a slight change in shape of the membrane will alter their shape, resulting in impaired function.

Sure, there needs to be larger studies to confirm this effect, and the advertisements for such cures are often hyped up...but which kinds of ads aren't? In addition, as these diets are very low in calories, they might be unsafe for some people and should be carried out only under supervision of a health professional - again, this is covered by CB products as they would have the medical disclaimer and state that a doctor needs to be consulted first.

As I've always said, if in doubt about a product's quality, contact the vendor for a review copy and judge for yourself. If the vendor does not reply, DO NOT PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCT!

Mancar

Thanks Mancar

I've read your thread about how to promote cb product, it was very helpful ..
I'm trying to get a 20-50 gravity product as stated in your guide, tried to contact few vendors .. but none are responding so far..
I'm tired of passing these "Potential"-looking products, do all low gravity products vendors seem to be lazzy ?

mancar487 · Dec 23, 2014

Cashington said:
Thanks Mancar
I've read your thread about how to promote cb product, it was very helpful ..
I'm trying to get a 20-50 gravity product as stated in your guide, tried to contact few vendors .. but none are responding so far..
I'm tired of passing these "Potential"-looking products, do all low gravity products vendors seem to be lazzy ?

I'm surprised about that; I get in touch with other vendors regularly (e.g. to discuss cross-promotion of our products, etc...) and 8 out of 10 times I'd get a prompt reply.

Sorry if this sounds too obvious, but are you using the 'contact us' address found on the vendor's page, rather then over-complicating things and pulling up their address from whois and the likes? Vendors are REQUIRED by clickbank to monitor and give a prompt (within 2 days) reply to emails from customers, which would be in the mailbox specified under the contact us tab (hence why I am surprised you are not getting a reply).

P.S. slight correction to your post; in my guide I recommend looking for products with "gravities 5 to 25" rather than 20-50. The hidden gems tend to be in the 5-25 range. If a product is in a microniche, gravities higher than 30 can mean that the niche is already fairly saturated.

Best wishes,
Mancar

Cashington · Dec 23, 2014

mancar487 said:
I'm surprised about that; I get in touch with other vendors regularly (e.g. to discuss cross-promotion of our products, etc...) and 8 out of 10 times I'd get a prompt reply.

Sorry if this sounds too obvious, but are you using the 'contact us' address found on the vendor's page, rather then over-complicating things and pulling up their address from whois and the likes? Vendors are REQUIRED by clickbank to monitor and give a prompt (within 2 days) reply to emails from customers, which would be in the mailbox specified under the contact us tab (hence why I am surprised you are not getting a reply).

P.S. slight correction to your post; in my guide I recommend looking for products with "gravities 5 to 25" rather than 20-50. The hidden gems tend to be in the 5-25 range. If a product is in a microniche, gravities higher than 30 can mean that the niche is already fairly saturated.

Best wishes,
Mancar

Thanks again for the reply.

Yes I was not complicating things, I just used the contact us from their sales page.
I'll try to contact more vendors today and will see what happens

Jobdollarr · Dec 24, 2014

Many refund on clickbank because the product is not good.

You have to choose the best product before promoting.
So that a refund can be minimize.
Some people complain, because the products are not worth selling there, so the commission in return

Coalission · Dec 24, 2014

lol please keep hesitating for as long as you can

Here is Prevention magazine "scamming" people with diabetes cures:

httppreventioncom/health/diabetes/how-cure-diabetes-food

Unless you bought the ebook and can testify that it's a scam, just say that you don't know how to sell or are scared to fail. Many of these products are legit "cures" or things that help reverse problems. Can they be found for free on the internet? Sure, but finding free information and repackaging it in an easily consumable and structured product/service is nothing new.

How to products, "Blah blah For Dummies" products, workout programs like P90x and Insanity, etc. are things that can all be found for free, but people like structure, people like stories, people like being told what to do and when to do it by someone with an appearance of authority or someone who had success doing it, etc. It's freaking marketing, if this stuff scares you, this business isn't for you.

a-jani · Dec 25, 2014

Anyone promoting diabetes products is going to get sued big time one day.

Avid Learner · Jan 15, 2015

a-jani said:
Anyone promoting diabetes products is going to get sued big time one day.

Generically true for anything health related, but probably the most visible players are at highest risk.

Google Kevin Trudeau Wiki. He was sued by the FTC for a weight loss cure he was promoting on late night infomercials. Most infomercials have some element of truth to them, they may not be lying, but they fail on omission (not telling the whole truth - e.g. the real risks and difficulties in flipping houses). They all have "good stories" and that is how they work.

In a BH forum, which might arguably be considered on the edge of "ethical", it is ironic to raise the ethical issue of particular types of promotions.

Not sure it is wise to be seeking "advice" here on that. While I wouldn't promote cure for diabetes or similar, from what I've seen on BHW, I think there are several ways to IM and remain within your ethical / comfort bounds.

Just because there will always be money made in promoting questionable things ("sucker born every minute"), does not mean you have to go down the same path.

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