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Help Me DEBUNK Power Likes

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  1. xWGx

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    I've been into businesses related to IG for a while now and its been great so far.
    I've always been into exploring different bots - strategies - methods to grow on Instagram - have tried out every SMM panel on BHW probably - and same goes with IG automation bots.

    In my journey - I've been learning and realizing somethings that you get to learn only when in business.

    Lets back up a bit -
    Back in my noob days when I started out - I once purchased 'REAL' website visitors from Fiverr.
    I thought that these mofos can't fool me as I'm going to test them real bad.
    I told this one seller that instead of you sending me visitors to my website directly - why don't you send them to an article about my site on Medium and if they like it - they will probably drip onto my website.

    He was like DONE!

    I was like DAYYUM. 10,000 visitors for $10. I'm the boss.

    Fast forward - I know of like 10 bots that can do that. Some of which are on BHW by some amazing sellers. Haha.

    So - you get my point. What you see and feel on the outside just might not be true.

    FYI - As stupid as it may sound but back in the noob days I used to buy 'REAL' Instagram likes from sites and be happy about it. I mean they LOOKED real for sure. Haha.

    And today I know every SMM panel by name- I know their rates and servers by heart. Haha. I know which server will get you the most real looking likes and which server is the fastest and which server you go to for country specific likes and what not.

    Okay - enough! Haha. Lets get to the point.


    POWER LIKES

    I've been reading a bit about Powerlikes for Instagram and the fairy tales that come along with it for a while now.

    And having done a lot of shit within Instagram niche - I can't help it but see through all the bullshit.

    Wait - maybe I'm wrong - hence the title - HELP ME debunk it.

    So - power likes they say are likes from REAL accounts with REAL followers BUT WAIT - those accounts are POWER house accounts - meaning they have anywhere from 20k to 1 mil followers?

    The fairy tale is that if you get say 500 likes from accounts that are of ranges 20K to 1 mil - then you are BOUND to go viral in a snap.

    My first question when trying to understand this system was - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    So lets define some other FANCY terms that come along with Power likes.

    NETWORK - 'We have a network of 250 million followers and they will see your posts'

    Wow - the WHOLE of US will see my post? GOD FUCKING DAMN.

    Okay lets move on and debunk this bullshit.

    GOLDEN RESULTS

    So - the thing is
    power likes providers claim to get you hundreds of thousands of impressions. A massive REAL REAL REAL growth. And the basics - 500 or so likes from some 250 million network.

    LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN

    1 - NO ONE IS THEIR RIGHT MIND -

    No human who has grown an account to 20K, 50K, 100K and SPECIALLY above 100K would LEND his/her account to a bullshit network on exchange sites / Telegram.

    I'm talking about someone who has hand grown REAL shit from scratch.

    Like are you fucking kidding me? Someone who has REAL 100K fans would just lend it out?

    A real person? A real blogger? A real human?

    NOPE.

    I would still believe if these are jacked botted profiles with a bit of fake purchased followings.

    But to have 100% genuine people give away years of hardwork and an account with 100K fans? Are you seriously kidding m e?

    That is just not possible man.

    It takes YEARS of patience to build active audience that engages with you.

    And you are going to tell me that they JUST GAVE AWAY THEIR ACCOUNT TO YOU so that you can AUTOMATE it to LIKE any random Tom, Dick and FUCKING Harry?

    Haha. Lets all believe that!

    2 - EXPLORE PAGE DRAMA -

    'Gauranteed' to hit explore page and GO VIRAL.

    My ass.

    First off explore page is TAILORED to every user. There is no UNIVERSAL explore page on Instagram.
    And by the looks of the latest update - there isn't going to be UNIVERSAL top post page either.

    What you see on explore and top post will be different from others.

    So - what explore page am I gonna hit?

    Explore pages are curated on the past interactions of the user.

    If I love to travel and keep searching about Travel on Instagram then my explore page would MAJORLY be bending towards travel related content.

    So what explore page?

    3 - THE GOLDEN RESULTS

    But wait - there are RESULTS.

    I know man. I've gotta be dumb not to believe in the 'results'.

    DAMN SON. 10K impressions! Got 800+ followers. I"M GOING VIRAL!

    Nope.

    FYI - Impressions can be bought for pennies on panels. Look around on BHW.
    Real looking followers can be bought too.
    Reach - saves - story views - YOU NAME IT - it can ALL be bought.


    WHAT REALLY HAPPENS (ACCORDING TO ME)

    1. You pay a shit ton of cash for some hundreds of likes for like 30 or 60 posts.

    2. They put you on an auto like package same as an SMM panel would BUT the catch is - they flush real cheap followers to those accounts to make them look like power house accounts.


    3. They put you on an auto impressions package same as on SMM panel.

    4. They drip you real looking followers timed to your posting timings.

    LOOK MA! I'm going VIRAL.


    HOW TO START YOUR OWN POWER LIKES FAKE ASS NETWORK AND SCAM PEOPLE - GUIDE

    1 - Buy 500 accounts - 7+ years aged with private proxy - $1.25 each on BHW. (This is one time investment)
    2 - Use MP/FL to scrape and post to these 500 accounts daily until each have a ton of posts.
    3 - Use auto liker to send likes to these accounts for each post - get comments from Telegram pods to top it off.
    4 - Make a bot to do this or hire a dev - will not cost more than $300

    With servers, accounts, proxies, auto likes - you'd be down by $2k as one time investment. Not a lot of money to be honest.

    4 - Put up a fairy tale story about power likes and charge $500 for some 500 likes for 30 posts.

    5 - Take that $500 and send auto likes to the buyers accounts using your NETWORK. (free)

    6 - Use a panel to flush impressions ($10-$20)

    7 - Use a panel to flush real looking followers daily for a month - say 500 daily with +/- 20% = $45

    There you go - you charge $500 and your cost would be $70 at max!

    Get 3-4 customers and you've earned back your investment and its profit all the way from there on!


    THIS IS WHAT I HAVE COME TO THINK OF POWER LIKES - THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M CLAIMING AS THE TRUTH - ITS MY VERSION OF WHAT I THINK IS TRUE.

    SO HELP ME DEBUNK IT AND TELL ME YOUR VIEWS!
     
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    Most of the large account owners I know use engagement groups to grow. I have seen a number of celebrities doing this.

    I'm sure @IGKing can elaborate.

    It's not guaranteed growth, granted, but it works for a looooot of the big guys.

    On a broader point, you just seem to be buying some shitty services. I can't see any recent posts (buying IG services) that aren't fake followers/likes.
     
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    @elavmunretea

    Well - engagement groups are a whole different story - they do for the most part have A LOT of real people who are actual life bloggers on IG.

    FYI - this thread is NOT about how to grow on Instagram ;-)

    Just an attempt to understand these 'Powerlikes'.

    You're talking about engagement groups - those are not of any concern to powerlikes.
    Rounds or cycle based engagement groups - and trust me - I know of everyone that exists on Telegram - those MOSTLY have 'fake' viral category of accounts.
    Even the most famous automated round group - not gonna name names - its just a system of people giving and taking shit.

    @ give likes , @ receive likes (Its a JOKE)

    Almost everyone uses a dummy account to give and a real account to TAKE.

    In the end its everyone exchanging bullshit. That is only in regards to automated rounds. Not real cycle based groups - those I can relate to and profit from. :D

    Regardless - if you were trying to say engagement groups are related to power likes then that furthers my point that these power likes are not as real and magical as they seem.

    I'm buying everything related to IG. Not just shitty services. When you spend $10k a month on IG services - you end up buying everything. ;-)
     
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    Really curious to see where this will lead.. You have earned a thumbs up for the detail enquiry from me!

    My 2 cents are - 80% of the power likes are operating like your method suggests. 20% are legit...

    But I'm quiet new in this... Any pros?
     
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    Powerlikes work. EG groups work. Never have I heard one of you folks who says this or that about powerlikes always, always forget one thing.
    IF YOUR CONTENT IS NOT VIRAL MATERIAL, NOTHING WILL HELP!. Powerlikes and EG groups are fuel, likes and saves from the content from OWN FOLLOWERS is the vehicle.
    The more the better in the shortest time. If you have shitty content, results will be shitty. Some will say 'my content is excellent, always high-quality blah blah blah'. Apparently not if your followers did not like it. Just because you like it does not mean thousands of your own followers do. If they do not like it, your post sucks. No amount of likes will help it because they are from outside of own followers.
     
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    I agree with OP. Never seen a real Power Likes program that works. Always the caveat. It's fuel, we'll get you up there, but if your post is not viral, blah, blah, blah.

    Damn, anyone that gets to a major explore page, will usually get 200-1K+ new followers within hours. Most stories I've heard here is that if you get to "explore page" you'll get 30-80 followers. YOU F'ING KIDDING ME?

    I wrote an extended research post on Telegram last year. Likes for likes does not work now a days. In reality, IG will hit your account with a damn speed stop that will take months, if ever to recuperate from. Look it up BEWARE TELEGRAM.

    Last year Power Likes accounts were 100K+. I see now that they are down to 20K. SERIOUSLY? A 20K account is now a power account? GO F YOURSELF, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT.

    I've grown accounts past 100K+. I also handle 100K+ accounts. It's hard work, and it takes time. I'm not talking about "borrowing" babes, nude photos to repost on made up accounts. I'm talking about real people and business accounts. F ME, IF I'LL EVER "LEND" ANY ONE OF THESE ACCOUNTS TO DO LIKES 4 LIKES.

    My vote is that Power Likes programs being sold out there are a scam.
     
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    You're right about the automated rounds. I managed to mess my account up pretty bad with them. After blocking about 15k accounts I think I'm recovering.
     
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    I know! My exact point.
    Its one thing for fake ass Instagrammers who copy paste content from others and buy fake followers to lend their account to unknown 'rounds' to whore out for like for like.

    But for a REAL person to have 100,000 HUMAN FANS - I mean someone would have to be really dumb to give away such an account for an automated like for like bullshit. To give away LOGIN to a bot for like for like? Hell NO!

    And I am 100% with you on other points too. And have read your post too about engagement groups and couldn't agree more.

    Yes engagement groups can get you likes and comments - yes some groups are good enough and have great people to exchange engagement from - but in my experience - that DOES NOT help in growing an account.

    And another thing - again 100% agreed - like for like doesn't work - IG isn't dumb.

    SPECIALLY round groups. Its just too unnatural. In a normal world you don't give and get X amount of likes from same bunch of people at exact set times. I mean - even a third class coder could write a super simple script on Instagram that would instantly catch anyone using rounds.

    Funnier part is rounds are for the most part completed with bots. And oh man - bots in this time and age. I don't think so. :D

    @colorme Your agreement on the point that power likes is a scam means a lot and further confirms my belief in them.
     
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    Slightly off topic is the same with guest posts that are nothing more than hurridly put together PBNs then sold as guest post opportunities. There will always be people who see impressive stats then rush in to buy, without realising what they've bought is junk.
     
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    Yeah they don't work, that's why I can grow a baby from 0 to 100k in under 2 months.

    You're asking us to debunk power likes in bad faith. You clearly don't think they work, so why are you even asking us?

    Power likes are somewhat useless on pages that are not within your own niche or a niche that's very related.

    @colourme has no idea what he's talking about either. Keep up with the follow/unfollow garbage.
     
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    @xWGx you really don't understand what powerlikes are and how they work. Getting on explore pages will get you tons of followers and bots. Yes there are tons of resellers and shitty providers but you don't know the full truth and for your so called plan , let me debunk somethings -

    1. Buy shit ton of aged accounts - $1.25 each agreed. Scrape and populate using paid bots agreed. Now where are you going to get 20k followers on those shitty accounts ? (3 months of botting perhaps)

    2. Good luck getting a proxy for $1 that can LIKE 500 POSTS for A MONTH on that shitty account. Ig isn't stupid, like based ASN blocks happened last November. you can't like on shitty proxies + shitty accounts.

    3. Real looking followers won't reply to your stories or send you dms or buy your products. Anyone (including the your client) would be able to point it out.

    And yes good luck buying Millions of impressions per week :p
     
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    Well then PLEASE help me understand it.

    What amazing people are these who give away 100K real hand grown accounts that have 100% real genuine FANS.
    Please do UNDERSTAND the value of a FAN / FOLLOWER.

    Why are people who are actually FAMOUS and have 100,000 real human FANS giving away their accounts to you or the sellers of Power Likes to get abused by an automated bot? I mean is it REALLY so difficult for you to see my point?

    I would UNDERSTAND if you say that those POWERLIKES come from fake botted and fake follower accounts. Then it would still make sense. And that is what EXACTLY happens in large round groups on Telegram that require min 80k/100k followers. People FLUSH cheap fake followers and get to 80k and paricipate in the 'rounds'.

    1. Buy shit ton of aged accounts - $1.25 each agreed. Scrape and populate using paid bots agreed. Now where are you going to get 20k followers on those shitty accounts ? = SMM Panels - Buy 20K followers that are Real, HQ servers and non-drop

    2. Good luck getting a proxy for $1 that can LIKE 500 POSTS for A MONTH on that shitty account. Ig isn't stupid, like based ASN blocks happened last November. you can't like on shitty proxies + shitty accounts.
    I'm well aware of the wave that came around Christmas related to botting. FYI - that wasn't mainly a proxy related issue. It was more related to bot API logins. Normal people using proxies and not botting were happily able to login. :D
    As far as 1 proxy per account (decent one) - its really not that difficult to give out likes to 50 clients a day. Even if they each post twice a day = 100 posts for each of your powerlike accounts to give out. 100 likes per 24 hours by an IG account is not much.

    3. Real looking followers won't reply to your stories or send you dms or buy your products. Anyone (including the your client) would be able to point it out.
    Oh well - my friend - real looking followers DO reply to you and comment on you. :D
    You should just know some SMM providers real well thats all and they can get that done for you.
    If you do not know the main ones then - there are sellers on BHW that provide real looking followers that engage with you. And upon requests they can even have those 'followers' see your stories and reply to your DMs.

    Its a big big big game brother.
    I've been through it all.

    Think of it -

    From the server of accounts on an SMM panel -
    You can buy followers.
    You can buy impressions.
    You can buy story views.
    You can buy comments.

    DO YOU REALLY think they can't make sure that those same accounts that FOLLOW - under the same actions?

    My own personal bot on Ruby that I've coded can do all of that. And I know of some sellers on BHW who are already soon launching such bots. Where you import your set of account - say 100 accounts. And you make those account do anything you want.

    Ex: 100 accounts - follow X.
    + Always watch stories by X in future (set tracker)(set dynamic delivery +/- 30% so it looks natural)
    + Always like photos by X in future (set tracker)(set dynamic delivery +/- 50% or so ...)

    I could go on and on. Its all kids stuff man. It can be done.
    As I said - I've been thru it all.

    FYI - if you do believe in powerlikes then please please showcase some real reasons and real ideas.
    1 - Why are people happily giving you their 100K accounts when they are having 100K followers already?
    2 - Why are they giving you their LOGIN details to BOT? Are you kidding me? I mean COME ON!
    3 - Whose explore page is the customer supposed to end? Like really? Its so curated - no one can know if they reached explore or not.

    I'd love some answers and a HEALTHY discussion so we can all benefit. :D
     
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    Lot of people put these account in a like4like group to grow additional accounts. Most of them are insignificant accounts if there is no fake checks. But lately a few services started doing fake checks et I'm not saying all accounts are good but a good number of them are.

    Now for your maths -

    1. Non drop hq followers will cost $2 per k. That is $40 per account, 500 accs = $2k (your total estimation)

    2. FYI - that wasn't mainly a proxy related issue. It was more related to bot API logins . So you think not changed related to likes ? Go to the marketplace and you won't find a seller than can proudly say their proxies can do Instagram likes lol. You are bringing up another topic which isn't related to ASN based like bans. The login issue are fully fixed in almost all bots. We aren't talking about 50 or 100 likes, we are talking about the ability to like posts as soon as posted on shitty accounts and proxies which FYI isn't possible.

    3- for your so called followers that send dms and watches n replies to stories. Good luck paying a good amount of $$$ for that. And it's possible to detect a generic bot written reply don't you think so? How can it possibly relate to real people running ig lol. Do they send emails to you asking to make a custom diet plan? You argument is collapsing upon itself. What are you going to do with all this b.s real looking fake followers ?

    4- you have been thru it all wow. If you had been through it all, you won't be typing this stuff. Everyone is aware of follow/likes blocks. Yes there is a way through it but is it worth it just to fake engagement on some Accounts ? I hardly doubt it.

    Now your arguments -

    1- powerlikes doesn't have to be automated. Are you aware of dm likes where you retain full control? Btw I have seen some automated powerlikes where there are a few verified accounts too. Why they do it with verified accounts ? I have no clue as I wouldn't do it myself. Now sending likes won't get your account flagged permanently. So people just use it to grow smaller accounts and then grow them to 50-100k and grow new accounts.

    2- in addition to what I explained above, some of them know that as long as they have og email , they have full control of account. Everyone wants to get viral and it seems to be the quickest way to do so, that's why they share their logins. 90% of common ig population isn't even aware of what bots like mp and fl are.

    3- explore page is different for all individual. We have business insights now that shows how many people watched your stuff from explore :p
     
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    God damn you seem so offended man. You okay?
    Talk about a healthy discussion. :D
    I wouldn't be surprised if you were selling power likes cuz this thread really seems to be driving you mad.

    1 - For the ability to 'like' as soon as you post - in case you didn't know.
    You can use a dummy IG account and lord only knows how many I am currently using as a tracker.
    Not ONLY that - you can use SHIT accounts with SHIT proxies to send crazy requests to pull arrays of likes, pull arrays of followers and much much more.

    IG DOES NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PROXY OR API until you start to spam.

    A shit account via your custom bot and on API can keep track of your client accounts and fetch a new posts.
    These are just basics. Thats how auto likes work. I've used packages for upto 10,000 autolikes per post and YOU SERIOUSLY think those 10,000 accounts and waiting and refreshing my page looking for new post? Come on man.

    For someone to make 500 'power' accounts track 100s of client accounts - that is just dumb. One track with multiple workers on a ruby bot would be MORE THAN ENOUGH.

    3 - for your so called followers that send dms and watches n replies to stories. Good luck paying a good amount of $$$ for that (SO YOU DO AGREE IT CAN BE DONE WITH $$$)
    If you know the right people then make that just a $ instead of $$$. ;-)


    Do they send emails to you asking to make a custom diet plan? You argument is collapsing upon itself. What are you going to do with all this b.s real looking fake followers ?

    Oh so are you trying to say POWERLIKES = genuine business inquiries?

    4 - Well funny that everyone who is aware of follow/likes block - have something missing.
    Over at the panels there are millions of IG accounts - and for a MAGICAL reason they don't have follow blocks?
    Its like you haven't done any calculations. You're thinking only on the surface level.
    I'm trying to dive a bit deeper.

    OH and FYI - INCASE you didn't know - FOR SOME MAGICAL reason all those panels and the MILLIONS of accounts they have DID NOT face any issues when IG was going mad last Christmas.

    So clearly - you are not much aware of what is happening beyond just the basic news about botting.

    Regardless of it all - this IS NOT a discussion about MATH.
    This is NOT a discussion about engagement groups.
    This is NOT a discussion about IG limits.
    No point to discuss about it.

    The simple question is if power likes is a scam.
    And lets end the topic at - Your HIGHLY educated and experienced view is that they are LEGIT.

    Thats all man.
    Just don't get heated up. :D
     
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    Im trying to have a healthy conversation and not flaming you or anything lol. Let me try to answer your point.

    1- again you went on a sidetrack. It's about the ability to like not about the ability to scrape tons of info. Shitty account on shitty proxy won't be able to like pics say 40 in a hour. All I hear again n again , is my Ruby bot can do this n that lol :p when I'm actually debating about someone else. Find a seller in marketplace that provides accounts + proxies and show me how many accounts can like 10 pics a day on their own proxies that came with the account.

    2. You ate this point.

    3. Yeah maybe someone can do it for $ but what's the point of those fake replies ? Yes powerlikes results into genuine business enquiries since they are real people not your so called real bots.

    4. INCASE you didn't know - FOR SOME MAGICAL reason all those panels and the MILLIONS of accounts they have DID NOT face any issues when IG was going mad last Christmas. Again making baseless assumption, scroll back to november posts and every single panel faced like blocks for at least 2 days, every single one. Most of the sellers here on the are just resellers. The supplier obviously knows their shit and can keep changing according to ig's algorithm. They spend big $$$$ to make $$$$$, it's their job to fix all these things.

    Yes I'm not aware of anything except basic stuff so teach me master. As if lol :p
     
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    A big page liking a smaller pages post. The followers of that big page( if in the same same niche, sees that post of the smaller page in explore) . That is a powerlike. It is how Instagram does it right now. They work, to say otherwise is naive.
    I have a group of pages, my own nearly 2mill now. I do not buy likes nor followers and they like each other and comment too. One of my accounts is account blocked, follow blocked, commenting blocked. All it does now is post, and still grows a 120+ per day. Somedays 500+ all from my network. My first page I started for this year is at 17k, now 12 days old. Just posting and getting likes and comments from my other bigger accounts. All the same niche. Debunk powerlikes? why? They work, like it or not. Please smell the coffee, it's the real world. Not how you want it. They work, case closed.
     
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    I think there are two types of powerlikes basically. The type you were talking about for sure works, cuz the likes come from real active accounts which don't give out likes like crazy either, also the accounts giving likes follow the accounts receiving likes.

    Meanwhile when people talk about powerlikes, like the OP apparently was doing, they usually refer to the type of powerlikes which can be easily bought as a package, which is basically an advanced/more expensive version of autolikes service. I doubt that works well, especially in 2019.
     
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    Powerlikes claims different. They say that you will hit explore page etc. So what you're saying doesn't matter..
     
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    of course, they want your money. There is a saying -- don't believe everything your read.
     
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    I just reread my original post from March 2018, almost 2 million , fast almost a year forward, i am now at 3.1 million, same accounts. Contents my friend make the page -- powerlikes only push it to be seen. if it is not a good 'viral' post...its bye bye for the post on explore.