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Oh really? Looks like her motor fuctions and reactions are developed good enough to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXSa3HwUBaM
Oh, I definitely agree with you. Having equal footing is the best that can be managed.
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It's not a matter of women being inferior and I believe that thought process is derived from an unnatural intimidation of something you instinctively shouldn't be intimidated by.
The same way racists think minorities are inferior IMO is a mix of a couple of things...
1.) Being raised to believe this. Our generation is one of the last with members who honestly view other humans as inferior to themselves. Their parents, circa 40-50 years ago, raised them that way as their parents before them (civil rights) raised them. I remember being very small (I'm 28) and hearing my parents degrade minorities for some reason, I never understood it and I think that's the direction the world is headed. It will eventually be "bred" out of our thinking, but for now there are trace amounts remaining.
2.) Culture. Our culture (as an American) teaches women that they need to look pretty, like shiny things, watch Jersey Shore, buy shoes and text message. They are started on this at a very young age, there are 2 year olds at my daughter's day care that probably spend more time getting ready in the AM than I do. They are set on this path from birth to be the prettiest, cutest, most charming girl and just like a puppy... If you instill these from day 1, you will find it nearly impossible to fix later. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."
(Please don't reply with stories of how you 8 year old lab learned to shake at 5.)
If you look around at our entire culture, and many throughout the world, you will see this alive and very well. Little girls love Justin Bieber and Angry Birds. Little boys love PSP and Nintendo DS.
Next is how boys are raised, which is the polar opposite of these...
First of all, my dad left when I was very young. So even at the age of 7-8 years old, I was the person in the house responsible for doing many things. This included setting up the entertainment system, TVs, cable, VCRs, phones, etc. By the age of 12, I knew exactly how most of these things work and even to this day I can pick up just about anything with buttons and program it without instruction.
Of course closely related to this is spending your time playing games. Most kids when I was young could set up a Nintendo, we all knew what RF modulators were and these gave us the basic understandings of technology. Not only setting up electronics, but navigating through UI (game) menus, adjusting settings, etc.
Second, I was involved in sports from a very, very young age all through my schooling. I started with tee-ball and pee-wee football and ended with HS basketball and football. As are many kids and if they weren't.. Their dad probably was.
So not only do many of us have the natural competitive ambition.. It's been honed. I spent over a decade of my life learning that there is no #2. Winning is everything. If you lose, you should be FURIOUS, go back and practice practice practice practice until you WIN. There is no alternative for being the best, playoffs are EVERYTHING and there should be absolutely nothing you want to do than to be the BEST at whatever you do. All of this on top of men's natural urge for competition and success.
As a result, I will bust my ass. I function on 4-5 hours of sleep per night most times because my entire day is consumed with learning, practice, implementation and information. I am incredibly motivated and driven to succeed... However, I am not at all motivated to just wing it, hear about IM yesterday and trying it today. I want nothing except for the best... When I am the best (even if only in my mind) at what I need to succeed, it will be game time. Until then, I am here on the free throw line for 16 hours a day at the very least, just practicing.
Challenging me to a game of horse will be your biggest mistake all day.
Even in my adult life... I have taken part in many foot races and other silly games simply because somebody uttered the magic words. "I'll beat you." No. You won't. Ever in a million years.
And as I said, if the kid doesn't have this mentality as I'm sure many techy kids usually don't.. Good chance their dad does and he's pushed and pushed and pushed for the kid to be competitive (especially in his dad's favorite sport.)
On top of these things, there's also history. Look at the history of the world and see all of the great figures AND WHAT THEY MEANT to little boys. Alexander the Great smashed through Europe and Asia conquering everything in his path. Ghengis Khan. General Patton... It is in the history of man to not only compete, but to win. It's bred into us as natural instinct, if you have something very nice and I do not.. My natural instinct is to hate you and plot how to get it away from you and make it mine. Much like being afraid of the dark, monsters and other predators as children... These things become part of our natural thought process when repeated for thousands of years.
Unfortunately, the process that has been repeated for thousands of years until now, is the thought that women are inferior, they cannot compete with man.. Well, up til now, the world has been 90% physical, so the fact WAS that they could not compete. If Hitler invaded with 10,000,000 women, WWII would have been 3 days long. That's just the simple fact of humans... And when 90% of the world is physical, what good is the other 10%? Sure, you can come up with some super idea of how to win something, but that doesn't work when I can simply brute force the win over you.
Things are different now.
Then again, sometimes it's just natural. Genetics are huge and you get a lot of your through processes, habits, peeves and all from your family. Just like you get their shitty congenital illnesses and big noses. Many people are just naturally driven and do not need any extra motivation... IMO, these are most successful women. The other successful women were raised well by their parents who did not spend all morning making them look pretty and instead spent all morning practicing something. ANYTHING.
So while there are successful women, and no shortage of them I might add, they simply are not groomed for the things many men are. Competition, 100% success rate (ONLY!!), win, faster, stronger, smarter, meaner, I can hit a ball better, I can throw a ball better, I can jump higher, I can WIN better than you. Unfortunately, women are (even still, almost worse than ever!!) groomed to like pretty boys, shiny things and pink.
The same way racists think minorities are inferior IMO is a mix of a couple of things...
1.) Being raised to believe this. Our generation is one of the last with members who honestly view other humans as inferior to themselves. Their parents, circa 40-50 years ago, raised them that way as their parents before them (civil rights) raised them. I remember being very small (I'm 28) and hearing my parents degrade minorities for some reason, I never understood it and I think that's the direction the world is headed. It will eventually be "bred" out of our thinking, but for now there are trace amounts remaining.
2.) Culture. Our culture (as an American) teaches women that they need to look pretty, like shiny things, watch Jersey Shore, buy shoes and text message. They are started on this at a very young age, there are 2 year olds at my daughter's day care that probably spend more time getting ready in the AM than I do. They are set on this path from birth to be the prettiest, cutest, most charming girl and just like a puppy... If you instill these from day 1, you will find it nearly impossible to fix later. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."
(Please don't reply with stories of how you 8 year old lab learned to shake at 5.)
If you look around at our entire culture, and many throughout the world, you will see this alive and very well. Little girls love Justin Bieber and Angry Birds. Little boys love PSP and Nintendo DS.
Next is how boys are raised, which is the polar opposite of these...
First of all, my dad left when I was very young. So even at the age of 7-8 years old, I was the person in the house responsible for doing many things. This included setting up the entertainment system, TVs, cable, VCRs, phones, etc. By the age of 12, I knew exactly how most of these things work and even to this day I can pick up just about anything with buttons and program it without instruction.
Of course closely related to this is spending your time playing games. Most kids when I was young could set up a Nintendo, we all knew what RF modulators were and these gave us the basic understandings of technology. Not only setting up electronics, but navigating through UI (game) menus, adjusting settings, etc.
Second, I was involved in sports from a very, very young age all through my schooling. I started with tee-ball and pee-wee football and ended with HS basketball and football. As are many kids and if they weren't.. Their dad probably was.
So not only do many of us have the natural competitive ambition.. It's been honed. I spent over a decade of my life learning that there is no #2. Winning is everything. If you lose, you should be FURIOUS, go back and practice practice practice practice until you WIN. There is no alternative for being the best, playoffs are EVERYTHING and there should be absolutely nothing you want to do than to be the BEST at whatever you do. All of this on top of men's natural urge for competition and success.
As a result, I will bust my ass. I function on 4-5 hours of sleep per night most times because my entire day is consumed with learning, practice, implementation and information. I am incredibly motivated and driven to succeed... However, I am not at all motivated to just wing it, hear about IM yesterday and trying it today. I want nothing except for the best... When I am the best (even if only in my mind) at what I need to succeed, it will be game time. Until then, I am here on the free throw line for 16 hours a day at the very least, just practicing.
Challenging me to a game of horse will be your biggest mistake all day.
Even in my adult life... I have taken part in many foot races and other silly games simply because somebody uttered the magic words. "I'll beat you." No. You won't. Ever in a million years.
And as I said, if the kid doesn't have this mentality as I'm sure many techy kids usually don't.. Good chance their dad does and he's pushed and pushed and pushed for the kid to be competitive (especially in his dad's favorite sport.)
On top of these things, there's also history. Look at the history of the world and see all of the great figures AND WHAT THEY MEANT to little boys. Alexander the Great smashed through Europe and Asia conquering everything in his path. Ghengis Khan. General Patton... It is in the history of man to not only compete, but to win. It's bred into us as natural instinct, if you have something very nice and I do not.. My natural instinct is to hate you and plot how to get it away from you and make it mine. Much like being afraid of the dark, monsters and other predators as children... These things become part of our natural thought process when repeated for thousands of years.
Unfortunately, the process that has been repeated for thousands of years until now, is the thought that women are inferior, they cannot compete with man.. Well, up til now, the world has been 90% physical, so the fact WAS that they could not compete. If Hitler invaded with 10,000,000 women, WWII would have been 3 days long. That's just the simple fact of humans... And when 90% of the world is physical, what good is the other 10%? Sure, you can come up with some super idea of how to win something, but that doesn't work when I can simply brute force the win over you.
Things are different now.
Then again, sometimes it's just natural. Genetics are huge and you get a lot of your through processes, habits, peeves and all from your family. Just like you get their shitty congenital illnesses and big noses. Many people are just naturally driven and do not need any extra motivation... IMO, these are most successful women. The other successful women were raised well by their parents who did not spend all morning making them look pretty and instead spent all morning practicing something. ANYTHING.
So while there are successful women, and no shortage of them I might add, they simply are not groomed for the things many men are. Competition, 100% success rate (ONLY!!), win, faster, stronger, smarter, meaner, I can hit a ball better, I can throw a ball better, I can jump higher, I can WIN better than you. Unfortunately, women are (even still, almost worse than ever!!) groomed to like pretty boys, shiny things and pink.
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See, that's exactly what I was talking about... Except way better stated.
Although, success can mean a lot of different things for different people.
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As far as women on this forum, there are two kinds: newbs and grinders.
If you are a newb, being a female is to your advantage because people will give you stuff and help you out. Male newbs are told to use the search button and insulted where female newbs are helped ad nauseum. small-town-boy was right that there are advantages to being female here, he just miscategorized me as someone needing the help of a BHW man for some reason. I'm not looking for anything from anyone here, although I do like an occasional review copy.
If you are grinding, it is easier to establish yourself by choosing an ambiguous name (like roamer or LBrown or tonililaz or shadowcat) until you have credibility and respect. Then come out as a woman. It's interesting that so many of us took this same route... and kind of sad.
If you are a newb, being a female is to your advantage because people will give you stuff and help you out. Male newbs are told to use the search button and insulted where female newbs are helped ad nauseum. small-town-boy was right that there are advantages to being female here, he just miscategorized me as someone needing the help of a BHW man for some reason. I'm not looking for anything from anyone here, although I do like an occasional review copy.
If you are grinding, it is easier to establish yourself by choosing an ambiguous name (like roamer or LBrown or tonililaz or shadowcat) until you have credibility and respect. Then come out as a woman. It's interesting that so many of us took this same route... and kind of sad.
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First, that was an excellent post, however, when you got to here, I could not help but laugh. Reminded me of Allen Iverson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE
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Hahaha! That was awesome!
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I don't understand this. Why would it be unfortunate that women like pretty boys, shiny things, and pink? Many children need guidance from their parents, or else they feel lost as to what decisions they should make in life and what path to follow. What makes liking Pink worse then liking Blue? What makes liking Makeup worse then liking Sports?
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That said... Be careful underestimating women. A woman who is successfully in the IM game has most likely overcome much more than you and is prepared to overcome even more. Women are also not lacking in brains, so that is an idiot's assumption and that assumption will have you working for her when she out-tact's you.
Also, IM is not a physical thing.. So I don't really understand what a cup stacking champion or Nascar have to do with anything. (BTW, you will find that women have better FINE motor skills... Such as cup stacking, handwriting, mazes, etc. Men are better at things like judging where an item will be in X time traveling at a rate of Y... Which is why we're better at things like driving, basketball, hunting, etc.)
So you see, they're actually much more cut out for IM than men on a level of skills required. However, they're lacking in the department of how they were raised, instincts and natural/boosted competitive drive.
Also, IM is not a physical thing.. So I don't really understand what a cup stacking champion or Nascar have to do with anything. (BTW, you will find that women have better FINE motor skills... Such as cup stacking, handwriting, mazes, etc. Men are better at things like judging where an item will be in X time traveling at a rate of Y... Which is why we're better at things like driving, basketball, hunting, etc.)
So you see, they're actually much more cut out for IM than men on a level of skills required. However, they're lacking in the department of how they were raised, instincts and natural/boosted competitive drive.
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You had my agreement for your previous post but this is TOTALLY incorrect! Why has a woman most likely overcome much more than me or anyone else here for that matter? We are all chasing the same nickel and face the EXACT same obstacles. We all have to learn. As far as the learning curve, like LB stated earlier, women are probably at an advantage because men are more eager to help females and tell men to piss off and do a search. Especially when they post their picture and make it known that they are attractive like marusia.
I am not saying people like Marusia is successful because she is female but, at the same time, you cannot state that she has overcome more than me because she is a female. That logic is totally off base. I agree with everything else you stated - and did so eloquently - but this statement is nonsense.
meatro
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Sorry... In regards to the topic at hand, this is an unfortunate thing.
Why? Because like I said... I was RAISED to compete. From the time I was a small boy until I left high school I knew nothing but competition and you have to work hard and strive to win. If you don't win, you're a loser and losers go home at party time and cry about losing while they talk about losing and lose some more because they're losers.
I was not raised to like diamonds or Justin Timberlake and purple hearts and rainbows.
SO... If you jump into competition with me and all the practice you have is how to hug a stuffed unicorn... You will NOT win. And this is why many women do not succeed in highly competitive markets... Such as IM.
There is the occasional exception, but for the most part it's truth.
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Your username describes you perfectly. Where are you from.....some shitty small town of a third world country.....that well explains your mentality..
I have bookmarked your profile....once I buy Jr. VIP, the first thing I will do is disrepute you into oblivion..
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I don't see how you came to the conclusion that a woman would necessarily have overcome much more then me or anyone else to succeed in IM. A lot of very successful IMers have done and learned everything on their own, locked in their mothers basement or a small 1 bedroom apartment. I just don't see where Gender plays any role in that.
I also don't understand your point about instincts and natural competitive drive playing a role in the success of an IMer. You are not looking at IM from the right angle. IM isn't about being the top of the search rankings, or getting more hits then your competitor. Those things can be part of Internet Marketing, but that isn't Internet Marketing itself.
A lot of successful IMers just follow what they love and let it flow naturally. I consider a woman who makes $3,000 per month on YouTube making fun videos with her girlfriends much more successful then someone on Blackhatworld making $30,000 per month pushing Dick Enlargement rebilling offers.
I've been working in IM 18-20+ hours a day, 7 days a week since I've started on Nov. 15th. There wasn't some magical "Hey, I'm a woman, give me money" button to push. With that being said, I HAVE had help with learning. All my money makers however, have come from developing skills on my own. I do think it would be harder on this forum for a guy to get started. I network like a big dog though, I can't help the fact that I'm a girl. It's just part of who I am. I think sometimes I'd be taken more serious if I were a guy.
I've had people here hate me for no other reason than I'm a girl. I've been called some pretty tasteless shit. Hell, less than a week ago, someone called me a "scary ugly fat slut bitch" on my youtube channel. It was for no other reason than I wouldn't bend over backward to help him. There are always going to be people who don't like you, whether you're successful or not. Luckily, I learned that early on in life.
BTW, I can't rep anymore for 24 hours, I exhausted my limit. I'll try and do it again tomorrow.
meatro
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Point taken, but I disagree.
Why? Because you have genetics, history and culture on your side telling you from a young age to win. Compete with the other boys and be better than them, this is how you get things in life.
Most women (my experience again is USA only) is.. Look pretty, like this shiny thing and giggle with your friends about the best boys. So to completely overcome (NO OFFENSE!!!!) this mentality and switch it around entirely is much more than what you've done, which is just go with the flow of what you know.
As for women having the advantage based on help, I disagree with this as well. Sure, they may get the help they're looking for, but that's NOT PRACTICE. Remember, practice, practice, practice, practice! If I bat my eyes and ask you really sweet to open this jar for me... I have not gotten ANY better at opening jars.
So.. I am not referring to obstacles such as reading, learning, absorbing information. I am talking about completely going against not only what you learned growing up, but what people continue to push on you. They see commercials for Greys Anatomy and say "no, I have to do this!" You see a commercial for Greys Anatomy and say, "WTF, what a stupid ass show. I'd much rather do this."
Much like if you were a world champion.. Iunno.. Knitter. I'd say you most likely overcame much more than those old ladies who were raised to love knitting, knitted for 70 years and knitted books about knitting. Why? Because your BRAIN did not spend the beginning saying, "wow, I love knitting!" It was saying, "I wonder if I can throw this pointy thing and make it stick in that cup across the room. NO!! I must knit!"
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I've been working in IM 18-20+ hours a day, 7 days a week since I've started on Nov. 15th. There wasn't some magical "Hey, I'm a woman, give me money" button to push. With that being said, I HAVE had help with learning. All my money makers however, have come from developing skills on my own. I do think it would be harder on this forum for a guy to get started. I network like a big dog though, I can't help the fact that I'm a girl. It's just part of who I am. I think sometimes I'd be taken more serious if I were a guy.
I've had people here hate me for no other reason than I'm a girl. I've been called some pretty tasteless shit. Hell, less than a week ago, someone called me a "scary ugly fat slut bitch" on my youtube channel. It was for no other reason than I wouldn't bend over backward to help him. There are always going to be people who don't like you, whether you're successful or not. Luckily, I learned that early on in life.
BTW, I can't rep anymore for 24 hours, I exhausted my limit. I'll try and do it again tomorrow.
Most of the people that comment on youtube videos are losers, on some romanian music videos. The guys just call the girls sluts and shit.Yet on a music video where a guy has his shirt off and acting like a player he isn't called a slut.
meatro
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I do not IM.
I SEO.
Competition is EVERYTHING.
Also, you do not clarify anything. You just say that I'm wrong. SPECIFY... Do not just say, "No, I love to argue and you posted..." Make points.