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Have you given up that easy?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    This place is a ghost-town compared to what it was just a few months ago...

    Is there really THAT much less money to be had through black hatting, or are people just getting lazy? I'm a little disgusted, frankly. Rather than discuss new tactics and try to INVENT new ways to combat updates it looks like many folks have just given up.

    I think part of it is also that the "quick buck" scammers who were trying to sell/rep/affiliate crappy me-too softwares are not gone since their software has been crushed. But even still... this place shouldn't be THIS quiet.
     
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  2. MaxTucker

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    I agree. This forum has gone downhill since Pandguin. It is now full of paranoid nutters who want to constantly bitch and cry about big evil Google.

    Honestly, I think the moderators need to tighten the rules on the type of threads that can be posted here. This is not the Black Hat SEO forum area it is the General Internet Marketing Chit Chat forum area.

    Some of the most popular threads in here in the past few days are:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ogle-misses-earning-expectations-rejoice.html
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...google-will-disappear-five-years-rejoice.html

    Two threads that are not directly related to Black Hat SEO get all this attention and quality threads like the one below sink to the bottom of the pile.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...te-search-engine-optimization-being-dead.html

    It's pretty sad.
     
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  3. wokaka

    wokaka Senior Member

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    there are always ways to make money, just that (I think) most people here was making money with micro niche sites and SEO (thats why when things get harder they simply disappear). I have been there too. As we know, SEO alone is not a long term business. It should be considered as one of MANY ways to get traffic to your site but don't just build your business around SEO.

    even if you check buy/sell services, 95% of them sell SEO over and over again. internet marketing is so much bigger than just seo
     
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  4. stressfree

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    Not given up...not on making sh** loads of money anyway. But that's not in I.M. I.M.H.O. Moved on and upwards. Using I.M. to pay the bills now whilst my other project builds. Siting here trying to beat G. and spam the hell out of the Net..isn't big business depsite what many on the forums say :)
     
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  5. stressfree

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    And big business isn't in I.M. For me I.M. has been ruined by the scammers. You have to delve through 99 people to find one real one. I gave up moved up/on and it's MUCH better.

    Good luck

     
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  6. Madruga

    Madruga Senior Member

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    Plus of that, lounge threads shouldn't appear anymore on the first page of BHW like when you click "New Posts". Just saying.
     
  7. weruncompanies

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    Every forum has been like this. Even Wicked Fire is now dead (They had a BST issue too with it being slow, their main forums are dead too)... BHW is slowly dying compared to what it used to be like. Seem like so many people have given up, I imagine people doing BST services have been hit hard. People now lost their sites, and so they either move forward or give up. The ones who move forward are being much more cautious so they prob won't buy as much. I don't sell anything but that's my perspective.. Not to mention the people who are making new sites must be dedicating all their time to just that, the casual forum posts each day have dwindled down. But all in all, I think a ton of people just gave up after the updates. So many people relied on SEO, I mean a ton, and only a few of them knew the consequences of being completely reliant on that.. Now factor in the new learning curve of figuring things out and it requires them to learn more before taking action, something most people hate doing..

    All in all, it sucks. I love reading new content here, posting my insight any everyone working as a team to grow their business together! Now it seems likes the massive resource we all had together is falling apart. And don't let my join date confuse you, I've been browsing this site for way way longer.
     
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  8. daserpent

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    It is true that BHW has changed quite a lot. No more useful blackhat threads can be found really. Most of the good info was published years back.

    I believe the senior members should share more with the community and help everyone. Mods and admins should also share more methods and stuff. I believe if they share, others will share their stories more as they will have all these senior members to look up to.

    A forum is all about sharing. So start sharing guys! and QUIT WHINING
     
  9. Gary Becks

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    The thing I think is causing most people problems is that they have no room for comfort or to actually enjoy what they are doing when it comes to SEO. People are so desperate to make a buck and in need of immediate income they there's no room for experimentation and thus there is no innovation.

    Bottom line is that all these Google algo changes are the result of the big G just trying out new shit and seeing what works. The only way to keep up with them is to try some new tactics as they change and see what works as well.

    There's a great lack of live case studies or new strategies happening here, which is what the forum needs in order to help the BHW community stay ahead of the game.
     
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  10. GiorgioB

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    Yeah, have noticed that... but at the same time there are new members everyday which means people are still coming and discovering all the awesome treasures that bhw has buried in the past threads.. I for one have not given up, I will give up when I die.
     
  11. bk071

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    People are too busy working on their sites. SEO was easier a few months ago than it is right now... we all have to work on our sites more than ever... and the number of hours in day has remained the same.
    That should explain things :)

    PS: Real marketers never give up. Period!
    Anybody who gives up is not a marketer/entrepreneur. They're just here as a hobbyist then.
     
  12. stressfree

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    so why is I.M all about S.E.O.? (hint: it shouldn't be)
     
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    Bitch please. Internet Marketing is dead.
     
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    Its not.

    But believe me there is still TONS of money to be made via SEO... there will always be. But only those who adopt to new changes and design their strategy accordingly will survive.

    Its not just SEO... that is how everything works. Nothing is permanent but change.
     
  15. m_zec

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    The barrier to entry is higher then ever before. You can't just buy $50 worth of services, throw it on a 5 page site and start making $3 a day. You actually need to get some work done. And people are lazy. And that is not a bad thing. Lazy people are giving up, that means less competition and more money for people who are willing to hustle and work hard.
     
  16. mikemeth

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    Yeah it is getting harder but SEO is still not dead, I still do SEO but from now on I'm dedicating less time to SEO and more time and money to other traffic sources.

    Many thought EMD sites will make them rich and I'm sure many lost their Business because of the updates but giving up is not an option.
     
  17. Catt Mutts

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    Look at it this way - there's there's more money now for those who want to do some work
     
  18. ChEcKeD

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    Maybe all the new methods are hidden in Executive VIP this time?
     
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    SEO is not about 'methods'.
     
  20. coretech

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    I think this forum is still good, you are still find a lot of good ideas in making money section.