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Most likely around 1k to 10k, depending on what kind of offer you are advertising.
[Guide] Top CPA method that making a killing right now
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Deep pockets for media buying in affiliate marketing are $2k to $10k/day
But it's not useful information. You'll learn far more from my advice above.. Just start with $10-$15/day and experiment. Learn.. Test.. Play.. You'll learn more in 48 hours than a year of reading.
You won't get copied at the low level btw.
Guys spending $5k/day aren't looking at $100/day campaigns. They're competing with each other.
Copying only becomes an issue at scale, but this is what makes CPA utter dog-shit.
I can scale my own product to $2m-$3m/month without people stealing and without having to change my ads every few days.
In CPA you're constantly spinning different angles and competing. It's a race to the bottom.
If you need to make $200-$300/day profit, then it's a good place to put your time, but if you need bigger money it's a waste. $200/day for me is barely going to pay for my beauty/massage payments lol.
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I don't want to waste too much time, so I'm trying to be very careful as I burned myself entering some market without prior awareness of what they really are. Was my mistake of following the crowd. Now I'm into very careful analysis. I also gambled and stuff which is basically classified as living my youth from the age of 15 to 25. Time to end this stage of development and start growth.
For now it's going well past year.
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You could get away with it, but then you would have to use another offer. A good rule for testing new offers is 10x the payout. McAfee Payout is around 60$, so they would have to spend 300 to 600$ just to get through the testing phase. And that's just for testing if the offer is working. Factoring in more LP's in the rotation as well as having 5 creatives you can get well above 1000$ just for testing budget.
Its easy to say "oh well this doesn't work" and quit right after 2 or 3 days if you do not see a single conversion roll in. Thats why its better to start running a 0.50$ payout offer just to get your feet wet if you don't have a big budget. High payout offers don't run away.
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I'm living in solitude spending $10 a day, and when I party, it's $50 a day maximum. But I stopped partying cause it's distractive and lowers freedom in fact.
I am looking forward to build a little house as I don't have any heritage and do something to fill my-self from a creative side. I was lacking that and that's a reason I would be glad to open a business in the future, to basically get that creative stuff to the world. It's a nice connection.
Yeah, I'm working with very cheap offers that pay just about $1 because that's just what works. A lot of traffic is needed, but the internet is so big today I don't worry about that. Making people convert on PPS could be an unnecessary struggle. In the meantime one could learn a new skill or study something. Not worth to optimize someone's offer to some extreme degree. Time is limited.
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If you are using the cloaking method then, why are you suggesting for using the Landing pages?
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Because you still need a landing page, even if you are cloaking. Using this method without landing page will get you no conversion. And using the landing pages without any cloaking, will get you suspended from the offer and not approved by the traffic networks.
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This is not new... This been going for a few years and people been doing such aggressive shady landing pages for a long time. I remember when Norton pulled from all major networks a few years ago because i think someone made a video exposing this. But then they got back. In the end, I think the AV companies don't care at all, or they pretend they do when they get exposed, but normally they close their eyes. And yes they offer big payout because they are considering the user will forget to cancel when it rebills the following year.
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10x is very high.
For very low paying offers like $5-$10, yeah, 10x is fine..
For real products, you start with 1x
So if your product is $500, you aim to make 1 sale with a $500 spend, otherwise you scrap that ad.
If you can't make 1 $500 sale with a $500 spend, then there's no point spending $5k. Your chances of getting 10 sales or better are close to 0.
With a $60 payout there wouldn't be much point running more than $120 of traffic. If you can't make a single conversion in $120, which even if you did is still a 50% loss, then you're chasing a loser at this point. Think about this mathematically.
It's like trying to catch losses in the casino.
If you've made 0 conversions in $120, and you needed 2 to break even and 1 to a decent baseline test, then you now need TWO conversions in the next 120 for a baseline or 4 to break even. If you still get 0, then you now need 8 to break even at $240 to $360.
so doing 10x and going all the way to $600 is just a waste.
This is also why I recommend you do small amounts daily. You don't want to run the $90-$120 in 1 hour because then it's just going to be luck based. You run it over 5-6 days and get you some reliable data.
For a $60 payout I wouldn't run more than 1.5x the payout. If I've not made a single sale after $90, then statistically I am better off tweaking the ad and starting with a fresh $90, rather than continuing with a loser for another $90.
And most people unless they are really bad are not going to spend $1k in ads and make $0. If you run 3-4 $90 tests, you're going to at least get 2-3 sales in to recoup 1/3 to 1/2 of the ad spend.
It's not that hard to make 0.7 ROI to 1.3 ROI in CPA. It's just not very useful.
Who wants to spend $100k in a month to make $20k-$30k? It's also risky because you might not get paid. You need to make at least 2x to make it worth it unless you have REALLY solid connections at your network and even then shit can hit the fan.
But in SaaS/services/product marketing, at least on fb, we always aim to get 1 sale for the equivalent ad spend, otherwise we ditch and try another ad.
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I agree. The higher the payout, the more you can change this 10x rule. Good point on running things for a longer time but be careful as you are attracting other people as well. Once they see you are running things for a longer time, they will rip everything. Speed is key in Pop and Push. Thats why spying is so good. You can see what runs where and how many people promote it.
All in all, media buying is fun with a steep learning curve, but what doesn't have that?
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Yeah it's a bit different advertising in push with cpa. I don't do push and I don't do cpa.
There's also different types of testing.
What I'm talking more about here is your really early ballpark testing to find some potential winners without losing too much.
Once you have those, you want to then test your 4-5 headline variations and 2-3 lp variations, and run at least 1000 impressions per variation so you can get an accurate cpa on each.
When fishing for an initial winner you aren't really looking to calculate or compare cpas for those ad copies, you're just looking to get a conversion so you have a base ad you can start to run split tests with.
Yeah media buying is a lot of fun. Much more so with products where there's more money to play with though and you're taking the payments yourself then getting paid from stripe within 3 days
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And what does that mean? What would the learning process be about in 3 - 4 steps? Sounds more fun than SEO to me. Results are probably quicker?
That testing stuff is something I'm familiar with from YouTube and making videos. It's really a lot of work to find the right combination that would work after scaling. Requires really granular analysis and attention, so it's not for everyone.
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It’s a prelander used for pop ads with cloaking
Ankitpal888
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I think it;s prelander with their offer link without cloaking. If they are using the cloaking method then, it will directly redirect to the offer page without opening prelander because cloaking will send users to the final offer page.
intmarketing
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Cloaking is used for 2 different reasons. 1. For restricted offers such as gambling/dating ect depends on ad network. 2. for more aggressive prelanders. In this case McAfee is not a restricted offer but this prelander is restricted for most ad networks. So 1 normal sales pages as prelander to show to the ad network and also as referrer to CPA network (or just blocked). The second prelander (like this image) is what people see.
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I can confirm this method still works, but you will need to find the right ad network.
Leiii
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Hi, could you please tell me what the spy tool you used? and how did you gather all these data? I'm new to all the push ads thing. I would really appreciate it!
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is there a very detailed specific course on how to get started? I have a couple of 100 usd to test a few ideas. my goal is 300 usd per day