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[GUIDE] Gaining Real Views, Audience Retention & General YT Growth

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by IndigoSind, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    You will always get out ranked unless you keep on pumping views EVERY DAY to that video.

    Especially if your video is a piece of crap.

    This is what happens. And what I see everywhere (when inspecting stats of videos)

    Type A:

    • Someone buys 100k views and dumps it in their video over 24hours
    • Gets about 80% retention. Youtube won't rank you first spot in this case.
    • As the days go on, your retention drops and youtube knows your video is a piece of shite. Even if your video is good, it won't get the coverage that it's supposed to get.
    • As in somebody who get's 100k views in their first day is likey to have a decent number of subscribers resulting in their video being ranked higher much faster.

    Type B:

    • Someone buys 100k views and spreads it over about 10 days
    • Gets about 80% retention. Youtube will slowly rank you. But this will be very slow compared to someone who got their views naturally.
    • You will have to keep buying views everyday to maintain the false popularity of your video.

    Think of it this way.

    This is how (i think) youtube works

    Imagine a car going up a steep hill. It can only be fueled by one type of gas on it's journey to the top.

    If it's being fueled by fake views. Once the fake views run out, the car slowly but surely ges back down the hill.

    Natural real youtube views can fuel it to the top. And you know what?

    • Real youtube views cannot be depleted.
    • It has consistency in terms of audience retention and overall engagement.
    • Youtube has information on nearly each viewer (compared to bots/fake views or whatever)
    • You can monetise your videos without fear of adsense blocking you
    • You will know what type of content is working and what's not. That's the whole point. Knowing exactly what content to put out (depending on your niche).
    • If you keep pumping views to your videos then you are just wasting your money. How would you know the real views from the fake? How would you know what content you should be replicating?

    These are all factors you should be considering if you actually want to grow a youtube channel.

    I'm not completely saying buying views will not get you anywhere. For churn and burn it will. But if you are serious about making $$$ with adsense then you need to rethink your strategy.

    I also have one last piece of advice. This is for videos that are niche specific and not random viral videos.

    AUDIENCE RETENTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR

    Before creating your video. Check the audience retention of the top videos. This will give you vital information as to how long you should be making your videos and what content you should be including in your videos.

    The best advice I have for increasing your audience retention is to waffle for about 1-2 minutes in the video then start talking/showing your viewers want to see.

    Then you can extend the video for as long as you want. I aim for at least 10 minutes (to get the extra ads as well). This ensures at least around 1:30 audience retention.

    If you give the viewer what they want within 40 seconds of your video, why would they stay any longer? Causing your video to not rank as high as it should.

    Now you can compare that to the top videos and see how you will rank. You will be surprised how well this works.

    This will answer why you have seen a video outranking you even though they probably have way less views than you. It's simple. Their video has a higher audience retention.

    Now as time goes on (if you are new to youtube) you will know which videos have boosted their views with fake views. Don't use their statics as a reference because it's all fake. It's easy to spot them. They have low subs and on the first day of the upload they have 20k+ views and like real 0 comments.

    Note: not all videos will share their view stats, just move on to the next one.

    Remember this is for niche specific videos. This does not really apply to videos that can go viral.

    By niche specific I Mean: "How to upload a video to youtube". You will be competing with people trying to get 1st spot with similar/same title as you. = Audience Retention War

    By viral i mean: "Kid gets arrested for throwing eggs at police cars". Those type of videos.

    Well shite.. I didn't expect to write so much. Just had to get this all out in to the open I guess.

    Check out my Youtube Journey: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/journey-to-100-a-day-w-youtube-adsense.887158/
     
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  2. tangento

    tangento Junior Member

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    Youtube's just takes so much work to get noticed it's not even fun for anymore you've got to do niches you're probably not even interested in just to make money. Sure you can try to make other types of videos that showcase your other talents once you've established a good niche but sadly most of your subscribers won't care to even watch it. You need deep pockets to compete with big channels with over 1 million subscribers even then it may not work out for you.
     
  3. dabp

    dabp Junior Member

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    Your ideas makes sense. I have just started a youtube project and I am not seeing the results I was expecting.
    My niche basically has two types of videos, 3minute and 10-12 min videos.
    I am trying to compete with the 3 minute videos, and I am using many of the same tags as my competitors and similar titles with my own twist.
    My content is original and well edited(imo).

    So, how do one break through that first barrier of getting noticed?
    I currently have upload 2 videos but I am seeing very few views and no subs.

    I noticed that some of my competitors can have tens of millions of views on a single video, within a few days of release, but not a single like or dislike.
     
  4. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    Are the likes and dislikes hidden? If not, then having millions of views with no interaction seems like they are buying views.

    Some tips:
    • Make sure your thumbnail is really good
    • check your competitors views retention and compare it to your own
    • check how many subs your competitor has and compare that to the views they are getting. If they only have a few thousand subs and generating that many views then your know something is fishy
    • Since you have like 0 subs, it will take much longer for high views to trickle in. But if your content is better you will surely start seeing results

    You can PM me the videos if you want so I can properly inspect your competition and what's going on! Don't worry I have my own niche that's working really well so don't fear me taking yours xD
     
  5. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    That's very true about doing niches you are not interested in. Youtube is free and should stay that way. You don't need money to compete with others. Just need time to prefect your videos and make them interesting enough that people will watch most of the video.
     
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    stairwellcase Newbie

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    What percentage would you say is a good audience retention? Or is it more about the time in total?

    You seem to talk negatively of buying HR views; is there not some way to use this to boost the video to make it trend/ gain organic growth? (If so would you be able to give some kind of method regarding a new video)
     
  7. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    It's not the percentage, it's the time. I have already mentioned things you can do to help a new video above.

    I have also debated the issues around buying views
     
  8. foxkoneko

    foxkoneko Regular Member

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    hmm 1st time Ive seen someone actually suggest not to get to the topic right away . . .
    I always try to have an intro of 30sec max then go into the topic asap. Is this wrong? I assumed people would leave if the person didnt get to the topic right away. What you say here is the complete opposite

    Btw what's the best way to spend 100k HR views on a popular topic?
     
  9. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    Nothing comes to mind as I'm fairly against buying views.
    What I generally do is spend 1-2 mins talking about the video and talking about what my last video was about. Im getting about 2-4 minutes retention compared to my competitors who have below 2 mins (and my videos are longer).
     
  10. foxkoneko

    foxkoneko Regular Member

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    hmm how do you check a competitor video's retention?

    btw what is the retention of your videos?
    I checked some videos of mine 4-6min long and retention was about 50%
     
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  11. IndigoSind

    IndigoSind Regular Member

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    Check thier view stats (if they havent hidden it) and go to watch time. The number will be displayed there.

    My retention is about 2-3.30 minutes
     
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    incomesurfer Power Member

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    thanks mate ;).. saved for future use ;)
     
  13. steveocopyo

    steveocopyo Junior Member

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    Solid tips OP! This will surely help a lot once I start dabbling on Youtube, making videos and ranking them and all that.
     
  14. GrowHack

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    great tips forsure! Ive been watching your thread thanks!
     
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    TheCProgrammer Newbie

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    Great share, thank you
     
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    socialmediapro Jr. VIP Jr. VIP UnGagged Attendee

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    Some good information in those words Bookmarking it.

    Thanks for sharing
     
  17. saltypotato

    saltypotato Registered Member

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    Good words! I'm trying to get my neighbor ranked up high. The plan is, if she gets big, I will get big. I'll be watching this thread.