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Agreed. 99% of blackhatting is deceit, trickery, or gaining an unfair or dishonest advantage. So I'm not sure how anyone argues otherwise.

I am taking the definition of fraud from dictionary.com

fraud
   [frawd] Show IPA
noun
1.
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2.
a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3.
any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4.
a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.


Just about all blackhat and some white hat involve fraud. From clickjacking to a simple email submit consist of a form of fraud. Somewhere down the line in most marketing there is a for of fraud IMO.

However, i am a unique case, i take fraud even further. I take a step back and see fraud involved throughout our daily lives. From having to pay income tax to paying a cellphone bill, to buying toys or even food... Somewhere someone is getting screwed Lol. Maybe fraud is all a point of view? I dont know, but personally I see fraud everywhere
 
Agreed. 99% of blackhatting is deceit, trickery, or gaining an unfair or dishonest advantage. So I'm not sure how anyone argues otherwise.
Lol I can't believe this thread is still kicking. Anywho, we were debating about definitions of fraud because to say that blackhat methods are by definition fraudulent, one must define "fraud". By the definition that he quoted from Dictionary.com, most blackhat is indeed fraud- but according to the definition that actually matters (the legal one) there are plenty of blackhat methods that don't involve fraud. Maybe deceit of some kind, but not fraud according to US law.
EOD
 
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