Google update for sape

Scritty · Jun 14, 2013

kindarthur said:
I agree on you mate, OP to rank your site again, just add more quality articles which are more unique and niche relevant. Also build your site with quality do_follow backlinks which should be permanent link.

Good Luck.... wish you all success!!!

That is sound advice!

My tale - it's just a day that was always coming. Never a doubt. But I've made a lot of cash with the help of SAPE and want to thank the guys behind it. Roll with the punches - adapt - survive - move on. That's been SEO since I started. My SAPE subs paid for themselves 50x over. No problem with the service or the profits.
So - in detail (video and blog post link below)

2 SAPE promoted sites (both promoted with nothing but SAPE) de-indexed this morning.
1 that was only partially promoted with SAPE (lots of variation) abso-frikking-lutely hammered to a position far lower than it was before I started using SAPE
Had 2 "unnatural links" notices as well.

Another site that I only started SAPE for in May (links from a different SAPE vendor - maybe using a different subset of the overall SAPE network) doing ok...so far.

Fact is Google seem to have finally infiltrated at least part of the SAPE network.

In this case DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP

When Google punish a site for using bought links that is the "beginning...middle... and end" of it. They couldn't give a fuck how nicely your site was optimized and how good your links were before you started buying them. Once they see you've bought network links they rip your ranks no matter what other metrics are involved.

BMR did this 2 years ago, Linxboss also - SAPE is getting it now.
Whether like Pokemon they "catch 'em all" who knows. But checking here Warrior and Traffic planet this SAPE slap is very wide spread.
I can;'t complain - the sites in question made a fortune in those weeks and months - and I reckon even if I have to start again with new domains I'm still very much up on the deal.
No complaints from me. That's SEO. If anyone thought a network as visible and large as SAPE was going to last forever - or even more than a few months - they were fucking stupid.
No way were google going to sit in the bath with a turd that large floating around them fucking up their ranks and not take massive action at some point.
Time to check your ROI - adapt and move on. Cause that IS SEO. always has been - always will be. If you can't stick it your in the wrong job.
Hope the SAPE guys made a fortune (of course they did

) and come up with another winner soon. I for one will likely be in again.

Here's my mess in video and blog post form

Code:

[URL]http://www.demondemon.com/2013/06/14/sape-promoted-sites-de-indexed-this-morning/[/URL]

Scritty

sathyavcs · Jun 15, 2013

I respect you Scrittyand your post post always! But still I have website both backlinks with sape and without sape. Both are very much safe till now reason I use quality diversified backlinks.

If you mean "DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP" and sape backlinked website will get penalized without minding anything else the SAPE LINKS WILL ONLY USED FOR NEGATIVE SEO.

What my point is Google wont do it in the whole to penalize all website which are all using sape instead they can de-evaluate sape links may be in future and always DIVERSIFICATION WILL HELP

Scritty said:
That is sound advice!

My tale - it's just a day that was always coming. Never a doubt. But I've made a lot of cash with the help of SAPE and want to thank the guys behind it. Roll with the punches - adapt - survive - move on. That's been SEO since I started. My SAPE subs paid for themselves 50x over. No problem with the service or the profits.
So - in detail (video and blog post link below)

2 SAPE promoted sites (both promoted with nothing but SAPE) de-indexed this morning.
1 that was only partially promoted with SAPE (lots of variation) abso-frikking-lutely hammered to a position far lower than it was before I started using SAPE
Had 2 "unnatural links" notices as well.

Another site that I only started SAPE for in May (links from a different SAPE vendor - maybe using a different subset of the overall SAPE network) doing ok...so far.

Fact is Google seem to have finally infiltrated at least part of the SAPE network.

In this case DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP

When Google punish a site for using bought links that is the "beginning...middle... and end" of it. They couldn't give a fuck how nicely your site was optimized and how good your links were before you started buying them. Once they see you've bought network links they rip your ranks no matter what other metrics are involved.

BMR did this 2 years ago, Linxboss also - SAPE is getting it now.
Whether like Pokemon they "catch 'em all" who knows. But checking here Warrior and Traffic planet this SAPE slap is very wide spread.
I can;'t complain - the sites in question made a fortune in those weeks and months - and I reckon even if I have to start again with new domains I'm still very much up on the deal.
No complaints from me. That's SEO. If anyone thought a network as visible and large as SAPE was going to last forever - or even more than a few months - they were fucking stupid.
No way were google going to sit in the bath with a turd that large floating around them fucking up their ranks and not take massive action at some point.
Time to check your ROI - adapt and move on. Cause that IS SEO. always has been - always will be. If you can't stick it your in the wrong job.
Hope the SAPE guys made a fortune (of course they did ) and come up with another winner soon. I for one will likely be in again.

Here's my mess in video and blog post form

Code:

[URL]http://www.demondemon.com/2013/06/14/sape-promoted-sites-de-indexed-this-morning/[/URL]

Scritty

Scritty · Jun 15, 2013

sathyavcs said:
I respect you Scrittyand your post post always! But still I have website both backlinks with sape and without sape. Both are very much safe till now reason I use quality diversified backlinks.

If you mean "DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP" and sape backlinked website will get penalized without minding anything else the SAPE LINKS WILL ONLY USED FOR NEGATIVE SEO.

What my point is Google wont do it in the whole to penalize all website which are all using sape instead they can de-evaluate sape links may be in future and always DIVERSIFICATION WILL HELP

Well it might this time. I remember clearly with link schemes like BMR and Linxboss it didn't.
It was stupid of Google to go down this road as it made negative SEO using these links so fucking easy. Buy 10 links a month - spread them among 10 competitors and kill them all. With BMR and Linxboss a single paid link = sandboxed
They might just ignore them now and leave users paying for nothing rather than paying for the priviledge of destroying their site. It would make more sense.

The one site that was untouched is going strong - and remains at number 4 today for a 1.2 million exact match term with nothing but SAPE
It's gone from PR0 to PR3 in 7 weeks and is paying for itself many (many) times over. So I'm going to keep SAPE running on that one. Even if it got killed tomorrow I've banked so much from it that I could/should be more than happy with the ROI in terms of cash and time.

I hope you are right and diversification works this time. It would make sense for that to be the case - else negative SEO using SAPE would just be too easy.

Last time it didn't and one paid link = sandboxed. I respect your point of view - it is after all common sense what you are saying - and exactly the best advice for most forms of SEO.
But.... unless you have information that Google have definitely changed their policy since the days of sandboxing BMR and Linxboss - as sensible as that change might be for them to implement - Then I'm going to hope for the best BUT plan for the worst.

Scritty

madoctopus · Jun 15, 2013

Google can not win against BH for a simple reason: while it might take me as little as 1 day to deploy a twist/method, it would take google a mainstream/overused/poorly-implemented BH technique and a bunch of time to build a filter for it. Aside from that, if you do BH right it is extremely difficult maybe even impossible to detect, even if a manual moderator is involved.

About SAPE and other methods - until Google kills a method people that are hitting it hard make tons of money, then they just twist the method a bit.

Scritty · Jun 15, 2013

madoctopus said:
About SAPE and other methods - until Google kills a method people that are hitting it hard make tons of money, then they just twist the method a bit.

As usual MO has hit the nail on the head.
I have very little overhead and can put up several new sites using new methods every frikking day. I can change my linking policy almost by the hour. I go for a walk, chat to some of my good mates here on BHW (you guys know wo you are) and before a day is out we are running again with a new system that's invariably dirt cheap, quick and twisted.

Google maybe catch up a year -eighteen months later. By then we've made 1000x our investment and moving on again is no real issue.
In the mean time creating some sites that Google will "probably" like for the long term alongside.

You read these evangelising White hat posts on serious SE websites and they always seem to describe an archaic and failed Black Hat methodology "Ham and Spam"
No one who has been gaming Google for more than a year or two is using the methods that these self righteous priggs are talking about.
They talk about BH being all gazzilions of spammy blog comments and forum spam, shitty sites and spun content both onsite and off.

Yeah - that will probably fail Good argument - you win... But..
WE DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT ANY MORE AND HAVEN'T FOR FUCKING YEARS. AND YOUR POINT IS ??????

So you've beaten us with a straw man argument dismissing methods we gave up on in 2009 as crap
.. AND WE ALREADY KNEW THAT. WE KNEW IT BEFORE YOU - BECAUSE THAT IS OUR BUSINESS! WE'VE MOVED ON LOOOOONG AGO!

As MO says - we win becasue we are FASTER we win precisely becasue we are HUNGRIER and some of us win because a single spark of genius will always beat decisions made "as a committee"

No matter how many IQ 140+ people Google employ, as soon as a decision and design process has to pass through dozens of them over a period of months WE WILL ALWAYS WIN

"A camel is a horse designed by committee!" is one phrase (not fair on camels but you get the idea).

If Google can safely iterate and renew their entire index policy inside 48 hours they "might" stand a chance.
That day will never come! It's not even in Google's interests to make it come. They aren't internet police, they are a profit making organization designed primarily for increasing shareholder dividends and stock value.
The rules of pareto apply to them regarding the cleanliness and "White Hat" of their index 80-20. Above 80% the required cost, time and effort begins to increase expotentially. It's a rule for all businesses not just web indexing

Some of us can make a serious living in the 20% and Google have never shown the slightest real interest in stopping us.

dnouche · Jun 15, 2013

FWIW, I have been following 2 sites ranking #1 and #2 for a very competitive keyword, both with SAPE backlinks.

Site #1:
- Actively using social media Twitter, Facebook, and Google+ (with rich snippet, picture in serp).
- Has a customized theme and logo, privacy, policy, and about
- Outbound links to authority sites relevant to its niche

Site #2
-No social media presence
-Generic theme, no about page, privacy policy page, etc
-No outbounds to to authority sites

Site #1 is still ranking #1, Site #2 has fallen to middle of page 2.

Now obviously there could be (and probably are) a countless number of other factors, but I just thought it was interesting since they were both ranking at the top before latest update, and perhaps Google is looking at a number of factors when penalizing or devaluing SAPE links.

Gipsy Kings · Jun 15, 2013

Holy Crap , I have purchased links with a budget of 130$ from Sape on 1 June and the site ranked hit the 1st page yesterday .
BTW , 5 sales since yesterday with about 200$ commissions

Gipsy Kings · Jun 15, 2013

dnouche said:
FWIW, I have been following 2 sites ranking #1 and #2 for a very competitive keyword, both with SAPE backlinks.

Site #1:
- Actively using social media Twitter, Facebook, and Google+ (with rich snippet, picture in serp).
- Has a customized theme and logo, privacy, policy, and about
- Outbound links to authority sites relevant to its niche

Site #2
-No social media presence
-Generic theme, no about page, privacy policy page, etc
-No outbounds to to authority sites

Site #1 is still ranking #1, Site #2 has fallen to middle of page 2.

Now obviously there could be (and probably are) a countless number of other factors, but I just thought it was interesting since they were both ranking at the top before latest update, and perhaps Google is looking at a number of factors when penalizing or devaluing SAPE links.

Exactly , there is another website " sells twitter followers " uses social signals and user optimized still ranked since along time , still rank and bank ATM .

garrido · Jun 15, 2013

madoctopus · Jun 16, 2013

Scritty said:
You read these evangelising White hat posts on serious SE websites and they always seem to describe an archaic and failed Black Hat methodology "Ham and Spam"
No one who has been gaming Google for more than a year or two is using the methods that these self righteous priggs are talking about.
They talk about BH being all gazzilions of spammy blog comments and forum spam, shitty sites and spun content both onsite and off.

Yeah - that will probably fail Good argument - you win... But..
WE DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT ANY MORE AND HAVEN'T FOR FUCKING YEARS. AND YOUR POINT IS ??????

My higher quality BH sites look better, read better and convert better than most people's WH sites. And I deploy them with anything between 1000 and 50000 pages in exactly 30 minutes flat. Content generation and design of the template take anywhere between 4 days and 2 weeks. Then follows link building which is roughly a 1-day job (actually batches of 30min over several weeks). I'd give you more details and numbers that would blow most SEOs out of their socks but I am sure you're doing something similar or with similar results at least.

My low quality BH sites look better, read better and convert better than most people's WH sites. This is exactly as above so what's different? Well, the real content is unreadable 100% and because of that is cloacked. The stuff you see is 100% readable and user friendly

My WH sites... have been penalized long time ago

They were great but small. They made small money and required massive amounts of energy put into them.

Scritty said:
As MO says - we win becasue we are FASTER we win precisely becasue we are HUNGRIER and some of us win because a single spark of genius will always beat decisions made "as a committee"

No matter how many IQ 140+ people Google employ, as soon as a decision and design process has to pass through dozens of them over a period of months WE WILL ALWAYS WIN

Even if Google adapts within a 1 hour timeframe and even if it has the algorithm perform as well as a human being I'm still winning because my quality BH stuff is simply that good that would make anybody think it is 100% hand made and that it took years to build it. However, some problems Google has are unsolvable and even more problems are impossible to solve. Or better said, I managed to solve very complex problems that essentially allow me to have BH sites of equal quality to WH sites. Well maybe not 100% but 95% which is better than most sites out there.

Want to know the best thing though? If google penalizes a site this very second, 30 minutes later I redeploy on a new domain, same number of pages but 100% different content than previous site. 30 minutes to recover from a penalty of any kind. Yeah I have to start fresh with the link building but that's not really a big problem.

The most important thing SEOs must take from this post is QUALITY! Yes! The reason I do great and the reason G would never bother with me in the first place is that I offer quality to the visitor. Even if this comes through cloacked content or whatever method the fact is, the visitor will find the site useful. Won't be the most useful but will be useful enough. Most people fail at BH because they do shit sites. Yeah that works too, but you lower the quality of the web. At least maintain an illusion of quality - it is better for you, for visitors, for google and for every internet marketer out there. It is a win-win-win-win situation.

I just spent the past 14 hours working on a system and it is complete at the core. Actually I done a bunch of other stuff the actual core system was about 4-5 hours to build. Haven't eaten anything all day long but worked my ass off and finished this baby. Now I could just deploy a site on it with cloacked content or crapy content crapy theme whatever... And would make money. But I won't. I will go and build a kickass theme, perfectly targeted at the niche I go in, every tiny detail will work towards improving the conversions. I will make it exquisite. That will take me more because requires creativity and originality. Then I deploy. And is going to be a great looking site that converts like crazy.

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