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Google is the worst spy network

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by bartosimpsonio, Jun 18, 2017 at 8:21 PM.

  1. bartosimpsonio

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    Google, not GCHQ, is the truly chilling spy network

    When Edward Snowden first revealed the extent of government surveillance of our online lives, the then foreign secretary, William (now Lord) Hague, immediately trotted out the old chestnut: “If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear.” This prompted replies along the lines of: “Well then, foreign secretary, can we have that photograph of you shaving while naked?”, which made us laugh, perhaps, but rather diverted us from pondering the absurdity of Hague’s remark. Most people have nothing to hide, but that doesn’t give the state the right to see them as fair game for intrusive surveillance.

    During the hoo-ha, one of the spooks with whom I discussed Snowden’s revelations waxed indignant about our coverage of the story. What bugged him (pardon the pun) was the unfairness of having state agencies pilloried, while firms such as Google and Facebook, which, in his opinion, conducted much more intensive surveillance than the NSA or GCHQ, got off scot free. His argument was that he and his colleagues were at least subject to some degree of democratic oversight, but the companies, whose business model is essentially “surveillance capitalism”, were entirely unregulated.

    He was right. “Surveillance”, as the security expert Bruce Schneier has observed, is the business model of the internet and that is true of both the public and private sectors. Given how central the network has become to our lives, that means our societies have embarked on the greatest uncontrolled experiment in history. Without really thinking about it, we have subjected ourselves to relentless, intrusive, comprehensive surveillance of all our activities and much of our most intimate actions and thoughts. And we have no idea what the long-term implications of this will be for our societies – or for us as citizens.

    One thing we do know, though: we behave differently when we know we are being watched. There is lots of evidence about this from experimental psychology and other fields, but most of that comes from small-scale studies conducted under controlled conditions. By comparison, our current experiment is cosmic in scale: nearly 2 billion people on Facebook, for example, doing stuff every day. Or the 3.5bn searches that people type every day into Google. All this activity is leaving digital trails that are logged, stored and analysed. We are being watched 24x7x365 by machines running algorithms that rummage through our digital trails and extract meaning (and commercial opportunities) from them. We have solid research, for example, which shows that Facebook “likes” can be used to “automatically and accurately predict a range of personal attributes including sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious and political views, personality, intelligence, happiness, use of addictive substances, parental separation, age and gender”.

    The idea that being watched on this scale isn’t affecting our behaviour is implausible, to put it mildly. Throughout history, surveillance has invariably had a chilling effect on freedom of thought and expression. It affects, for example, what you search for. After the Snowden revelations, traffic to Wikipedia articles on topics that raise privacy concerns for internet users decreased significantly. Another research project found that people’s Google searches changed significantly after users realised what the NSA looked for in their online activity. (Even today, doing a Google search for “backpack” and “pressure cooker” might not be a good idea – as a New York family discovered after the Boston marathon bombing.)

    By now, most internet users are aware that they are being watched, but may not yet appreciate the implications of it. If that is indeed the case, then a visit to an interesting new website – Social Cooling – might be instructive. It illustrates the way social media assembles a “data mosaic” about each user that includes not just the demographic data you’d expect, but also things such as your real (as opposed to your “projected”) sexual orientation, whether you’ve been a victim of rape, had an abortion, whether your parents divorced before you were 21, whether you’re an “empty nester”, are “easily addictable” or “into gardening”, etc. On the basis of these parameters, you are assigned a score that determines not just what ads you might see, but also whether you get a mortgage.

    Once people come to understand that (for example) if they have the wrong friends on Facebook they may pay more for a bank loan, then they will start to adjust their behaviour (and maybe change their friends) just to get a better score. They will begin to conform to ensure that their data mosaic keeps them out of trouble. They will not search for certain health-related information on Google in case it affects their insurance premiums. And so on. Surveillance chills, even when it’s not done by the state. And even if you have nothing to hide, you may have something to fear.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/18/google-not-gchq--truly-chilling-spy-network
     
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  2. elavmunretea

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    Do you even read the garbage you share or do you just see an up-and-coming post on Reddit and paste it here in hopes of getting the thanks?

    "(Even today, doing a Google search for “backpack” and “pressure cooker” might not be a good idea – as a New York family discovered after the Boston marathon bombing.)"

    No shit. After a major terrorist incident, Google assisted the authorities in helping find the perpetrators. What did you expect them to do?

    You clearly have some sort of underlying hatred towards Google, presumably because you fucked up and tanked one of your sites and want someone to blame.

    They're a massive technological company, do you really expect them not to take the information of their users?

    What's your solution? Hide under a rock and wank over Reddit?
     
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    Hey, Matt Cutts is back ^^
     
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    This is not a joke subject but man I can't wait to start doing IRL SEO to get my scores up :)))
     
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  5. bartosimpsonio

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    LOL

    I didn't write that, it's copypasta off a major newspaper.
     
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    That was the whole point of my reply.

    All (Ok, majority) of your posts are copy & pastes from shitty news outlets/ Reddit and honestly offer no benefit to the site apart from peddling your anti-google agenda.

    This thread is literally the shittest thing I have ever seen.

    If any other member came along and simply pasted a worthless article on the site you'd be screaming from the rafters, calling for them to be banned/infracted.
     
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    Would I? Did I ever scream at anyone or call for anyone here to be banned?

    BTW have we ever met before? I don't even remember your username yet you're lashing out at me like I did something against you.

    What's your main BHW account BTW ;) ? No offense but it seems like you have an agenda, not me :p
     
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  9. elavmunretea

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    Google is the worst spy network
    Google faces $ 9 billion fine in the EU
    Accused of underpaying women, Google says it's too expensive to get wage data
    Everyone must GTFO of Google services NOW. Your future depends on it.
    Google and Facebook scammed in more than U$ 100 million

    & many more...

    I'm not going to hide the fact that I don't like you - I feel like your threads offer absolutely no value at all - but for you to claim that you have no agenda against Google is an utter joke.

    The reason I commented on this particular post is that I'm tired of seeing your shitty copy & pastes after you see them on Reddit.

    The posts offer absolutely no value to the site apart from gaining you likes.

    Why not post a link to the article with a brief summary or a link to the Reddit so people can read other people's thoughts?
     
  10. curiouskt

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    You Mad? Bing / Yahoo? :D
     
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    I would disagree on this and I really appreciate that @bartosimpsonio reminds us regularly how Google is a threat to democracy ( for those who leave in a "democracy").
    I do understand that you live by the click graciously given by Google but it is still a scandal that mass surveillance has been sub-contracted to these tech companies that some of us seems to worship.
     
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    I'm starting to wonder if everyone is sharing the same water source.
     
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  13. JustUs

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    Like I really care what Google spys on or what the government knows about what I search about.

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    As a disclaimer, Google Fiber is my ISP.
     
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    Also would disagree on this and I really appreciate that @bartosimpsonio reminds us regularly of things that we show know more about.

    After all, 99% of us earns money from Google, in one way or another,
    so it is good to see both sides :cool:
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    Aww man. That's it so sweet. I love hotdoges.

    hotdoge2-594x480.jpg


    @elavmunretea Wtf is this elavmunfwewew? I want my hasa back please.
     
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    "Massive Chemistry and explosives book collection"
    -You're creating bombs for the terrorists ?

    "The Burglars guide"
    -and you're a burglar ?

    and hacking wifis with reaver ??? How dare you !
     
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  17. curiouskt

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    Haha noticed that too, bet he is sorry for posting it now lol
    still, he IS trying to be James Bond :D
     
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    You know what's really funny?

    People are coming to this guy's defense, saying how he posts valuable information they need to be reminded of. But NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

    You're all just going to go back to your lives, using G and FB to make a living when you know full well that you're nothing to them. You're a battery to their matrix. They don't care about you.

    If I knew that I wouldn't keep relying on them for anything. I'd fuck right off and go find another way to make a living.

    What's the point of being reminded of the reach of these companies if you're going to do dick all about it?

     
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