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Accused of underpaying women, Google says it's too expensive to get wage data

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by bartosimpsonio, May 27, 2017.

  1. bartosimpsonio

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    They can collect data on everyone 24x7 but they can't run a query to see how they pay women? Seems legit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/26/google-gender-discrimination-case-salary-records

    Google argued that it was too financially burdensome and logistically challenging to compile and hand over salary records that the government has requested, sparking a strong rebuke from the US Department of Labor (DoL), which has accused the Silicon Valley firm of underpaying women.
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    Google accused of 'extreme' gender pay discrimination by US labor department

    Google officials testified in federal court on Friday that it would have to spend up to 500 hours of work and $100,000 to comply with investigators’ ongoing demands for wage data that the DoL believes will help explain why the technology corporation appears to be systematically discriminating against women.

    Noting Google’s nearly $28bn annual income as one of the most profitable companies in the US, DoL attorney Ian Eliasoph scoffed at the company’s defense, saying, “Google would be able to absorb the cost as easy as a dry kitchen sponge could absorb a single drop of water.”

    The tense exchanges in a small San Francisco courtroom emerged in the final day of testimony in the most high-profile government trial to date surrounding the intensifying debate about the wage gap and gender discrimination in the tech industry.

    The DoL first publicly accused Google of “systemic compensation disparities” during a hearing in April, saying a preliminary inquiry had found that the Mountain View tech firm underpays women across positions.

    The current court battle stems from the DoL’s lawsuit filed against Google in January, accusing the company of violating federal laws by refusing to provide salary history and contact information of employees as part of a government audit. As a federal contractor, Google is required to comply with equal opportunity laws and allow investigators to review records.

    Labor officials have said they uncovered pay disparities in a 2015 snapshot of salaries and that investigators needed an earlier snapshot and compensation history of the employees to better understand the wage gap. The agency has also argued that it needs contact information of employees so it can conduct confidential interviews.
     
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  2. Reaver

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    They're only doing that bc they've got something to hide.

    Also not surprised.
     
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    Wage gap is a mythe.
     
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    Lol If they force Google to increase women, Google can just increase the standard for women entering Google (less women)
     
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    I can see where this thread is going.

    The point of this post isn't the wage gap. It's the fact that G is so fucking cheap they won't shell out $100,000 to turn over the papers they need to the gov't.

    They are a billion dollar company. Why are they whining about a hundred grand?

    Bc they think they can do whatever the fuck they want.

    Joke's on them. They have to comply with the law, hire and pay equally as long as they operate in the US.

    It doesn't matter how you feel about the wage gap, lolz womens or whatever other ideas you have from reddit taking up space in your brain. They're trying to fight the law.

    They actually think they have that much power.
     
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    i think they most likely getting their hands twisted by uncle sam for god knows what
     
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    Unfortunately ...... Yes they do!!
     
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    Lmao the US gov't is not going to let $100,000 be a valid excuse for not turning over paperwork.

    What are you on son?
     
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    If someone Nuke Google data center.
     
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    Easy for you to be liltle a Corporation such as Google but 70% of what you do on the internet runs through that same "small" Corporation...... Figure?..... Son!
     
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    Then you will have to kiss your IM earning Bye bye
     
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    It doesn't matter how much of what I do is run through G. We're specifically talking about their flimsy excuse as to why they won't comply with the law, not their size.

    The fuck are you on about?
     
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    Cool down man......Moving on to the emboldened.... Yes their claim is flimsy but I do not really see the government pushing google to submission over this
     
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    Why didn't you say that in the first place? Ffs I am a woman on the internet. You know how inferior I am.
     
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    Ohh sorry dear...... You are the Queen .... The Birth of all life.... How the hell can you be inferior !! Please do not say that again
     
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    Ahahaha I wish!

    I'm very used to the reddit mentality running through this place. All's fairn etc etc.

    Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

    @whiteblackseo How about we just split a Snickers bar?
     
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    As a matter of fact, I will.

    What about ice cream?
     
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    The main point in this news is that the same "good guy" Google that tells you to behave and says that buying links is "immoral and analog to cheating in real life" and which intends to curate all content on the WWW for their own profit while screwing you the webmaster..... is refusing to turn over records to a US authority because producing those papers (a simple SQL query?) would cost "too much". The same Google which is tracking everyone around the WWW cannot track its own wages. That's what this news is about and it's a joke, Google is mocking the US Government and our collective intelligence.

    tl;dr; I think Google is in some deep shit.
     
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