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get 1 in google... guaranteed?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by cashsalute, Mar 6, 2008.

  1. cashsalute

    cashsalute BANNED BANNED

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    hey guys thought I'd share this site with you all.

    they claim they'll get you 1# in google for free and then you bid on the spot afterwards...

    check it out, I haven't tried it so let me know what you all think

    http://www.1on40.com/
     
  2. VSC

    VSC Junior Member Premium Member

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    Well one thing I always look for is to check whether they can get to number one for their search terms ... FAIL

    and anyway ... I think the search engines would take a dim view of someone 'cheating' the system (white, black, green, yellow with black dots hat). They'd de-index sites in the short term and change algorythms in the long term.

    Having said that ... give it a go with a site you don't mind losing if it goes belly up.
     
  3. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    Very well stated opinion. Anybody can check SERP of 1on40.com using their keywords:

    <meta name="keywords" content="1on40, free, seo, submitter, top google, top yahoo, submission service, top search engine result, guaranteed, number one google, first result yahoo, earn cash, affiliate, sales traffic, easy, fast, keyword, best." />


    It sounds pretty much like a scam, and they may probably not harm, and not doing much other seo then directing backlinks to customers' sites, but eventually they'll charge god money from those bidders who eventually reached to top either by fortune or by other seo activities.

    Anyway, what they are good in, is their affiliate program that converts like crazy. I am wondering whether will they actually pay some cash to affiliates after April 20, as 1on40 stated in their news?

    As an affiliate I've already earned credits in value of $400.

    It's like a lottery, but it didn't cost a dime. I'll report about my experience at the end of April / beginning of May.

    By the way, my test site jumped about +30 positions on Google SERP since joined to 1on40, but I am not sure about the actual reason of this increase in rank.
     
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  4. cpaaddict

    cpaaddict Supreme Member

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    my guess and like others is. its a scam!!! dont bother with this site
     
  5. concentustech

    concentustech Junior Member

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    I placed a site with them about 12 weeks ago now and i don't see any jump in numbers although they say they will!
     
  6. imagine92020

    imagine92020 Registered Member

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    Only one person can get ur site on #1 for any keyword and that is google.
     
  7. jbizzle

    jbizzle Newbie

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    Total scam, companies like these have been scamming for years.
     
  8. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    I don't argue if it is scam or not, but somehow 1on40 will make some profits. They will not charge if your site is not #1, and if a customer's it is #1, probably it brings in some profits, so that customer may want to pay.
    Here may be the trick. Any other idea, what 1on40 may follow to attain?
    A huge network of affiliates? What for? There are many controversies, and I'd like to see some commission once.

    My latest stats show something about conversion rate:


    Your Affiliate URL visits:
    This week: 46
    Last week: 0
    You have referred 12 clients
    You have referred 3 affiliates
    Credits: 15


    One credit is valued at $40, thus the earned credits are of $600 value.

    Maybe company files for bankruptcy before to pay. We can't know. But what if 1on40 will pay out the promised commission?

    All it seems like a sweet dream, but at least I try to follow how and what 1on40 did for achieving these pretty good conversions. Eventually I'll learn a better way of copywriting and webdesign. I have nothing to loose.
     
  9. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    It may be scam, but how do they get their money?

    And who has been scammed and had any loss?

    Have you ever seen a scam without victims?

    Or is it not a scam, but a hoax?

    Who knows what's really behind?
     
  10. MaestroDelWeb

    MaestroDelWeb Executive VIP

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    My hypothesis of the way it works is this.

    Person A picks the keywords mortgage, loan, refinance, cash out, financing.

    Person B picks mortgages in Chickenville Florida, loans in Chickenville Florida, refinance in Chickenville Florida, cash out in Chickenville Florida, financing in Chickenville Florida.

    They submit your site to search engines through an auto-submitter (or they don't do anything).

    Person A's site stays the same or even improves if person A does his own SEO on the side.

    Person B's site goes to number one on the search engines because his long tail keywords have low or no competition.

    Person A says they suck and doesn't pay anything, person B is now a believer in their skills and pays monthly as well as tells the world how great their program is.

    This all equals them making money for several months until they are completely unmasked and sued for being scammers. If affiliates are lucky they will start paying some after the company gets paid for their great "SEO" work and the affiliates will promote them for many more months until the pyramid collapses and they can't afford or justify paying affiliates. I also see a lot of payment delays and doubt anyone will be paid.
     
  11. artswerdstone

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    I am amazed by the conversion of this site. I have to take lessons from its copywriter.

    Your Affiliate URL visits:
    This week: 16
    Last week: 99
    You have referred 28 clients
    You have referred 8 affiliates
    Credits: 36

    Although the offer about the search engine optimization service is very bold, but the words of this web site sell. Would you like to have such a system for your own product? I seriously think to write some similar style of sales copy. I like to learn from good examples.
     
  12. cashcorp

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    I did some research on these guys myself, and found there pretty much bogus.

    You submit your site
    get it to #1 on google
    If they do, you owe them money
    Considering thousands of sites submitted, surely some will be easy to get to #1 on some fifteen word keyword phrase. Then you owe them money.

    I would think they are planning to target the easy sites and basically charge people a fee when with a few steps such as submitting there site to the search engines they could do it themselves.
     
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    I get pissed off with the amount of incorrect and mis-leading information in here and on the internet when people promise you first position or on the first page on google, its time to levcel the playing fields a bit and tell some home truths.

    There are not many shortcuts to getting on the first page of google or any of the search engines all it requires is some understanding of on page optimization good quailty content then lots of quality one way backlinks to your webpage or website.

    The search engines factor in the age of the domain and a few other things but it takes time to show the search engines that your behaviour is natural and not all automatic generators or whatever bit of software your currently using.

    Its the newbies lack of knowledge and greed to get rich quick that attracts them to these sh-t traffic schemes that rip them off, but l have to say they ask for it by rushing in instead of learning their trade.

    So cashsalute in reply to your post there is not santa claus fairy tail ending on the internet , its harsh and regardless of what anyone says its a dog eat dog situation after all whois going to hand you all of their success blueprint on a plate for free....if you know anyone get them to give me a call.
     
  14. VSC

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    I have to agree with Nicho ...

    The time some people spend trying to outwit the main search engines - you could have built a site that ranks naturally.

    Good SEO is relatively strightforward. You win some, you lose some. Thinking you can make a living with one site is naive (though does happen rarely). Build sites, (throw mud at the wall - some of it sticks) ... check back a few months later and concentrate on the sites that are working - tweak, test, tweak.

    Domains are cheap, hosting can be cheap with Reseller accounts ... Learn the skills! That is the only way you will succeed unless you can afford to pay someone for their skills, or partner up with someone.
     
  15. artswerdstone

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    Hi Cashcorp,

    Your guess may be right IMHO.

    You should think not about thousands, but about hundreds of thousands of web sites.

    February news stated:

    "1,408 very happy clients paying for their keywords "
     
  16. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    My todays stats:


    This week: 45 Last week: 99 You have referred 34 clients You have referred 8 affiliates Credits: 42Not bad, and this is one of the secrets of 1on40's high traffic.
    Latest news does state:
    We have over 24 Million (24,000,000) internal page impressions (pages viewed) inside both back office/member areas PER WEEK. We currently have approximately 1.4 Million active unique clients and adding up to 18,000At least 70% of our clients are affiliate type people promoting their own affiliate web site. clients every single day. We have approximately just under 200,000 unique affiliates additional to the 70% affiliate type clients (doesn&#8217;t include duplicates between client and affiliate). Our affiliate population jumps by 1000's each day. That&#8217;s a serious number of people and page views to promote your affiliate programme to the masses of similar/like minded audience that logs in to their back office a minimum of once a week...
    No wonder, now 1on40 gets a new source of income, by offering banner advertising space
    for a small once off payment of £89 GBP/$175 USD approximately.

    Smart, really smart...

    I couldn't write anything else in my post #666.
     
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    All I can tell is these guys are really smart.. They have so many backlinks and traffic. People even pay them for that. LOL
     
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    that's good post.