Gegejosper scam or stupidity, doesn't really matter

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It's situation is far too long to go into the full length but I recently gave money to gegejosper for a JV. The thread was posted on BHW and can find through search.

I invested 2500 and have had 1000 returned. I am still owed 1500 plus 1250 interest.

I was told by his partner that I should do a Paypal chargeback which they then contested. There are literally so many absolutely ridiculous details regarding his stupidity that ill let him reply before I go further and waste my breath.
 
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I was scammed as well, $200 investment, and then pending $200 interest.

Admin BigBuddy would know all the details in this case.
 
Good luck with paypal finding in your favor. they don't cover intangibles and will also automatically rule in favor of the seller every time without even reading your case no matter how much in the right you are :-(
ooops....my bad. I see someone from the thread u mention already got a refund from paypal.... better luck than I ever had with them in fraud situations as a buyer. Hope all goes well for you. Please post result of refund request here when you get it.
 
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Good luck with paypal finding in your favor. they don't cover intangibles and will also automatically rule in favor of the seller every time without even reading your case no matter how much in the right you are :-(
ooops....my bad. I see someone from the thread u mention already got a refund from paypal.... better luck than I ever had with them in fraud situations as a buyer. Hope all goes well for you. Please post result of refund request here when you get it.
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One investor has already been getting his funds back, think it was around $1000.
 
For all investors, or some I explained my case. But they don't have sympathy for my situation.
The person in charge of project is Vishal who came to use my service. Then after that he started to explain his main project which he gave full proof of how it is and how to get benefits from it. But because he doesn't have enough posts to make JV thread, so he asked me to post thread on behalf of him. Vishal who is running projects, and holding all funds.

However, when he started to get funds from investors, he changed to sister project that I didn't know until Josh sent PM to me. This is not really a scam since Vishal didn't anticipate what he did and things turned to be wrong. Here is his project that he is running: adzrevz(dot)com. He has many problems from web development and project running. Now he chatted in group that he will sell the site and return money to investors.

I am a victim here, because I didn't scam anyone. But because Vishal failed and late with payment, this turned to be scam, but he used funds for running projects, not use them for other purposes.

I know what I did wrong about my decision to post JV. So I already chatted in group that I will compensate for what I wrong by earning hard money from my services and return partially. As I cannot afford to return full money, and even interest.
I am a victim here, and I admit that it was my fault to post this JV.
BigBuddy, please make a judgement on this. I can show all proof that I am innocent in this and I didn't use JV to scam anyone. I don't deny this is my fault to post JV and what I will compensate for what I did wrong. But investors, especially, Josh didn't agree with it.
 
Dailo said:
How did your account get opened again? ^
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My account was banned is not related to JV. It was related to another issue, but it was solved. And Please wait for the judgement from Moderators or Admins, also what Vishal will do and what he said in group chat.
 
gegejosper said:
My account was banned is not related to JV. It was related to another issue, but it was solved. And Please wait for the judgement from Moderators or Admins, also what Vishal will do and what he said in group chat.
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Are you retarded, maybe Vishals brother?
He is going to sell a site without income, he might get $500 if he's lucky.

Look what Josh wrote:
''I invested 2500 and have had 1000 returned. I am still owed 1500 plus 1250 interest.''

So he can't even pay Josh with that, what will he do next?
 
gegejosper said:
But because he doesn't have enough posts to make JV thread, so he asked me to post thread on behalf of him. Vishal who is running projects, and holding all funds.
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We just did this one, a couple of days ago. When you posted the JV thread, you assumed 100% of the responsibility for the JV. In the other thread, the "senior member" tried to blame a 3rd party of botching the transaction, claiming that he only posted the thread as a favor to the 3rd party. (was it?) BigBuddy's ruling that said that whoever posts the (in that case) BST takes responsibility for the whole thing.

Consider (everyone else), what's the point of restricting certain activities (BST, JV's, etc...) to senior members with that are presumably more trustworthy if they are going to circumvent those policies and use their status in order to allow access to forum members that the policies were specifically designed to block?

Also consider that, if it is allowed to "blame" an unqualified member (or even a non-member) using the excuse that "I just did him a favor" means that anytime a senior member gets busted running a scam, he can always invent someone else to blame it on. May as wll do away with the rules altogether, then.

I think everyone should understand that admitting that you've allowed someone else to use your identity in order to do an activity that would otherwise be prohibited ought to merit an automatic ban. It's not an excuse, it's a confession of circumventing the purpose of the rules even if it's not actually breaking them. It amounts to the exact same thing. Rules are set up in order to ensure a particular outcome, and gegejosper has circumvented those rules and created the very outcome the rules were specifically designed to prevent.
 
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We just did this one, a couple of days ago. When you posted the JV thread, you assumed 100% of the responsibility for the JV. In the other thread, the "senior member" tried to blame a 3rd party of botching the transaction, claiming that he only posted the thread as a favor to the 3rd party. (was it?) BigBuddy's ruling that said that whoever posts the (in that case) BST takes responsibility for the whole thing.

Consider (everyone else), what's the point of restricting certain activities (BST, JV's, etc...) to senior members with that are presumably more trustworthy if they are going to circumvent those policies and use their status in order to allow access to forum members that the policies were specifically designed to block?

Also consider that, if it is allowed to "blame" an unqualified member (or even a non-member) using the excuse that "I just did him a favor" means that anytime a senior member gets busted running a scam, he can always invent someone else to blame it on. May as wll do away with the rules altogether, then.

I think everyone should understand that admitting that you've allowed someone else to use your identity in order to do an activity that would otherwise be prohibited ought to merit an automatic ban. It's not an excuse, it's a confession of circumventing the purpose of the rules even if it's not actually breaking them. It amounts to the exact same thing. Rules are set up in order to ensure a particular outcome, and gegejosper has circumvented those rules and created the very outcome the rules were specifically designed to prevent.
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I don't deny that this is not my fault, I also tried to solve this problem by returning money to investors, but partially.

I know what I did wrong about my decision to post JV. So I already chatted in group that I will compensate for what I wrong by earning hard money from my services and return partially. As I cannot afford to return full money, and even interest.
I am a victim here, and I admit that it was my fault to post this JV.
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Dailo said:
Are you retarded, maybe Vishals brother?
He is going to sell a site without income, he might get $500 if he's lucky.

Look what Josh wrote:
''I invested 2500 and have had 1000 returned. I am still owed 1500 plus 1250 interest.''

So he can't even pay Josh with that, what will he do next?
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If Vishal, he might get $500 if he's lucky, then he can at least return to you $200, and $300 to Josh. And if we don't count the interest here. I can earn money from service, and this can take 2-3 months more to return to Josh at least $600-700$ more. For other investors, they already got their initial investment back. After that, if Vishal can earn money, then he returns the rest to Josh.
 
A scam is a scam... nothing more nothing less, I believe. -- just a personal opinion.
 
uhm, excuse me, but saying "i dont deny, i know its my fault"
and then saying "I am a victim here"
is a bit like saying "I did it but i didnt"
so stop bullshitting, go to the bank, get some money and return the money.
you go deal with that Vishal as much as you want
these people were dealing with YOU and were trusting YOU.
Cut the crap.
 
Gegejosper - are there only two people who are still owed money?

If you posted the JV thread you are responsible for it - you CANNOT and WILL NOT pass the blame, you should know better than to bypass BHW rules for your own profit. This said, your partner will also be investigated.

OP please post more details - I want to get a better feeling for whats happened here.

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On a side (personal not official) note - I cant stand these JVs where members talk about 'interest' on their 'investment', I would advise anyone to run a mile from these. A JV is not an investment, rather a project that you have an active involvement in, with the goal of generating a return on the time and money *mutually* invested.
 
zen19 said:
Gegejosper - are there only two people who are still owed money?

If you posted the JV thread you are responsible for it - you CANNOT and WILL NOT pass the blame, you should know better than to bypass BHW rules for your own profit. This said, your partner will also be investigated.

OP please post more details - I want to get a better feeling for whats happened here.

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On a side (personal not official) note - I cant stand these JVs where members talk about 'interest' on their 'investment', I would advise anyone to run a mile from these. A JV is not an investment, rather a project that you have an active involvement in, with the goal of generating a return on the time and money *mutually* invested.
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Hi sir,
Yes, Only two people are still owed. If I was stupid or innocent, or others can say that this is a scam and accused me to be a scammer, but I know nothing about interest. And I agreed to return partially money to investors, because I cannot afford to return full amount. I know I am responsible for JV thread. But in my case I am not the main one holding funds and running projects. The person who loses everything is me, not investors or Vishal who is running project.

Sir, please let me what details you need so I can post them all here from the starting points to the end.
 
Please provide a link to Vishals BHW profile page.

I'm not overly concerned with the 'interest' element - thats a risk that members of your 'JV' will have to swallow.

You owe the op $1500, how much is owed to the other 'investor'?
 
zen19 said:
Please provide a link to Vishals BHW profile page.

I'm not overly concerned with the 'interest' element - thats a risk that members of your 'JV' will have to swallow.

You owe the op $1500, how much is owed to the other 'investor'?
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Hi Sir, this is Vishal profile in forum: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/434657-deteorite.html
One is $200 and the other is $1500. But I agreed to return money to both of them, but partially. I already stated, it was my fault to post JV. I didn't pass blame to another person, but in my case I don't hold funds, and it is too much for me to return full amount of money. As Vishal he said he will sell the site and he will return money to investors.
 
I don't know the full details but you decided to partner with someone who has made 8 posts so far since October 2012?
 
gegejosper said:
Hi Sir, this is Vishal profile in forum: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/434657-deteorite.html
One is $200 and the other is $1500. But I agreed to return money to both of them, but partially. I already stated, it was my fault to post JV. I didn't pass blame to another person, but in my case I don't hold funds, and it is too much for me to return full amount of money. As Vishal he said he will sell the site and he will return money to investors.
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If you want to continue holding BST threads and being a member of this community, you will refund both these amounts before this month ends OR reach a mutual agreement with both users. I dont care where you get the funds from, or how you structure this with Vishal, thats your problem.

If I get notified by the OP or the other user that they have not been paid in full, or that they do not have an acceptable agreement with you - then your BST's will be cancelled and you and the 8 post wonder vishal will be perm banned.

Your choice.
 
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