Future AI = End of botting?

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Do you think that when some day, Artificial Intelligence becomes much more intelligent than any human and also self-aware,
botting will get impossible?
Because then they could scale those AI instances up and make them review and Check every account 24/7 manually

Or do you think botting will adapt and also use AI to combat that? :D
Like a cat and mouse game haha
 
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draco02 said:
Do you think that when some day, Artificial Intelligence becomes much more intelligent than any human and also self-aware,
botting will get impossible?
Because then they could scale those AI instances up and make them review and Check every account 24/7 manually

Or do you think botting will adapt and also use AI to combat that? :D
Like a cat and mouse game haha
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Dont you think its already done ? Look at IG, there is no exact pattern when blocking account
 
It's impossible to create self-awareness when the human does not even know the physis behind it. As for AI, you have a wrong concept, as much as businesses want to claim that AIs are "smart", they are not, you have to feed any neural network with a ridiculous amount of data just to perform one task, AIs do NOT learn to do new tasks, you teach them to master one field and then, the program is capable of determining whether if the solution is x,y or z.
 
draco02 said:
Do you think that when some day, Artificial Intelligence becomes much more intelligent than any human and also self-aware,
botting will get impossible?
Because then they could scale those AI instances up and make them review and Check every account 24/7 manually

Or do you think botting will adapt and also use AI to combat that? :D
Like a cat and mouse game haha
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I think there is already machine learning / AI in place to help spot the patterns of botting I think its already a cat and mouse game to find new ways to game the system.

I think as well if AI hit that point to be self aware it would be too late and we wouldn't even know it. I think the fact there are so much doom and gloom from people around AI is because they have seen first hand how quick they learn or projects they have just closed down because of "risk" - tin foil hat firmly in place
 
I'm new to all this but am I missing something here? Or am I right in thinking botting to a certain extent does platform like IG anf FB a great service - these sites are all about popularity after all - followers, likes... it's about quantity rather than quality. If accounts and activity were halved after being culled by AI cause they were fake, then I would take a guess that overall popularity and power of these platforms would diminish too? And would stop some Chinese or Russian monstrosity from taking a dominant market position?

Dare I say, I think they may even rely on blackhatting to a considerable extent. For all we know, all the apparent action against blackhat communities might be for the sakes of maintaining PR among media and tech elites. Or if they think a company or individual might be getting a bit too big for their boots, like those guys from NZ a couple of months ago.

But honestly, whatever the case, they should probably be more concerned about video manipulation than anything.
 
draco02 said:
Do you think that when some day, Artificial Intelligence becomes much more intelligent than any human and also self-aware,
botting will get impossible?
Because then they could scale those AI instances up and make them review and Check every account 24/7 manually

Or do you think botting will adapt and also use AI to combat that? :D
Like a cat and mouse game haha
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So you just need to incorporate AI into the bots as well... Look at AI text generators and AI to spot generated text, same principle... Basically an arms race. Sure, the traditional botting is (or already has ended) coming to an end.
 
Marabunta said:
I'm new to all this but am I missing something here? Or am I right in thinking botting to a certain extent does platform like IG anf FB a great service - these sites are all about popularity after all - followers, likes... it's about quantity rather than quality. If accounts and activity were halved after being culled by AI cause they were fake, then I would take a guess that overall popularity and power of these platforms would diminish too? And would stop some Chinese or Russian monstrosity from taking a dominant market position?

Dare I say, I think they may even rely on blackhatting to a considerable extent. For all we know, all the apparent action against blackhat communities might be for the sakes of maintaining PR among media and tech elites. Or if they think a company or individual might be getting a bit too big for their boots, like those guys from NZ a couple of months ago.

But honestly, whatever the case, they should probably be more concerned about video manipulation than anything.
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video manipulation when they earn money through ads? idk about that homie.
 
stelios0 said:
video manipulation when they earn money through ads? idk about that homie.
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Well if it's a question of what hurts their 'community' (and profits) the most then they're going to have to a draw a line with video manipulation.

If this technology really hits the mainstream more and some fat guy influencer masquerading as a weekend warrior, for example, get's sponsors, get's found out, then not only can a business cycle collapse like a house of cards, but IG's credibility can go too to shit too. Depends more precisely on the niche in question but health and fitness is big on there, and also appears to be big when it comes to blatant fraud!

Just saying, seems like they might have bigger problems than bots in the near future.
 
Marabunta said:
Well if it's a question of what hurts their 'community' (and profits) the most then they're going to have to a draw a line with video manipulation.

If this technology really hits the mainstream more and some fat guy influencer masquerading as a weekend warrior, for example, get's sponsors, get's found out, then not only can a business cycle collapse like a house of cards, but IG's credibility can go too to shit too. Depends more precisely on the niche in question but health and fitness is big on there, and also appears to be big when it comes to blatant fraud!

Just saying, seems like they might have bigger problems than bots in the near future.
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Again, they push marketers to ads, they don't really care. This is exactly WHY they are banning the bots. Imagine if you had a platform that every one would bot accounts to market their brand. Apart from the obvious blackhat (according to political correctness), niches like health scam, make money online, loans, hair loss etc go through because if you would about to cut those basically Facebook would die. It's like Murica stoping the production of guns or Norway stop catching salmons.

Also, you refer to community. You must be joking here trying to imply Facebook is actually a community or Facebook sees their users as a community when they sell their data.
 
I thought AI was bots. Everything running on algorithms & code. But what you should worry about here is the industry. AI doesn't apply to all industries equally. Who is funding most of it? Who owns it? How many teams of the worlds best coders paid at what rate are on x project vs y group of independent & poorly financed coders?

For example, it does seem that Google AI crushed fake view bots for YT. Where was the so called adapting there? Just put AI in your bots type of deal... you need lots of money to produce good AI or robots & AI will be competing against many of us. AI experts say that 47% of jobs are vulnerable to replacement. Trucking will go first. Many white collar jobs first. Since they're cheaper to compete with. Then blue collar which will require AI & physical robots, hydraulics.

You have to find where the weak AI is being deployed, what platforms & industries are not too vulnerable, AI that is poorly resourced you have to exploit as many loopholes as possible to your benefit. Though this applies to everything.
 
BreaknBrix said:
I thought AI was bots. Everything running on algorithms & code. But what you should worry here is the industry. AI doesn't apply to all industries equally. Who is funding most of it? Who owns it? How many teams of the worlds best coders paid at what rate are on x project vs y group of independent & poorly financed coders?

For example, it does seem that Google AI crushed fake view bots for YT. Where was the so called adapting there? Just put the AI in your bots... you need lots of money to produce good AI or robots & AI is going to compete against everyone one of us in the end. AI experts say that 47% of jobs are vulnerable to replacement. Trucking will go first. Many white collar jobs first. Since they're cheaper to compete with. Then blue collar which will require AI & physical robots, hydraulics.

I think this is going to be a war against everyone. You have to find out where the weak AI is being employed, what industries are not too vulnerable, AI that is poorly resourced you have to exploit as many loopholes as possible to your benefit.
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I concur and personally am a fan of human touch to everything :)
 
If it can be built, it can be reverse engineered. So no, I don’t think one side will ever defeat the other.
 
theRevolt said:
So you just need to incorporate AI into the bots as well... Look at AI text generators and AI to spot generated text, same principle... Basically an arms race. Sure, the traditional botting is (or already has ended) coming to an end.
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The generation of text by ML/AI will win over the detection. As the quality of generated text increases, there are diminishing returns in detecting the text. All Google cares about is people using their services, not if they read or watch content that was generated by a program.
 
ExperimentalSEO said:
The generation of text by ML/AI will win over the detection. As the quality of generated text increases, there are diminishing returns in detecting the text. All Google cares about is people using their services, not if they read or watch content that was generated by a program.
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It was just an example for OP that there always 2 sides, the Bot developers and the anti bot ones... So botting will always work some way or another, it just won't be as simple, which we already know compared to spamming 20k AA links ranking you #1, you have to step up your game now.
 
You are concerned about botting. I am concerned about a minority report scenario.
 
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