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Hence, the need to go stealth. Not to steal identities or go by someone else, but to protect your ID.

If these guys didn't use real info from other people, the penalty would've been a lot less severe.
 
theRevolt said:
On a serious note:
- How are fake reviews and docs allowed on BHW, when we all know the purpose and both will land you in legal trouble depending on how big of a fish you are, and of course which country you try to pull to fool.
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It isn't always a straightforward thing as you posit. Are all stealth paypal accounts used for scams and frauds? Yet you'd need some form of 'fake' documents for them.
 
HenryObi said:
It isn't always a straightforward thing as you posit. Are all stealth paypal accounts used for scams and frauds? Yet you'd need some form of 'fake' documents for them.
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Sure I said 90% for that reason, there is always an exception but let's be realistic the majority is for other reasons. Either way, any official document copied --> forgery so by definition illegal whatever your intention is for what you want to use it.

We could now go on about why stealth PayPal and sure you will find plenty of illegal reasons again(evading taxes, hiding assets etc), but in the end, does not matter to me, was just my 2cents
 
theRevolt said:
Sure I said 90% for that reason, there is always an exception but let's be realistic the majority is for other reasons. Either way, any official document copied --> forgery so by definition illegal whatever your intention is for what you want to use it.

We could now go on about why stealth PayPal and sure you will find plenty of illegal reasons again(evading taxes, hiding assets etc), but in the end, does not matter to me, was just my 2cents
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I get your point but the reason for stealth paypal isn't even any of those. At least for me and a few people I know. Who even hides assets with an unreliable platform such as paypal? Do they even know what they're doing?

Not everybody lives in the 'world' you live in. Some countries don't have paypal, so to earn online residents need stealth paypal. There many more reasons that have little or nothing to do with illegality.
 
HenryObi said:
I get your point but the reason for stealth paypal isn't even any of those. At least for me and a few people I know. Who even evades hides assets with a platform such as paypal? Do they even know what they're doing?

Not everybody lives in the 'world' you live in. Some countries don't have paypal, so to earn online residents need stealth paypal. There many more reasons that have little or nothing to do with illegality.
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Right, point taken but your POV and mine are just based on what we have in mind. You have to still see that copying official docs is illegal almost anywhere in the world and as soon as you use them it's a crime. Regardless of the underlying reason.

Either way, hope ppl that used them were smart enough not buying with their official name and all the info (especially of course, if they are in the US)
 
theRevolt said:
Right, point taken but your POV and mine are just based on what we have in mind. You have to still see that copying official docs is illegal almost anywhere in the world and as soon as you use them it's a crime. Regardless of the underlying reason.

Either way, hope ppl that used them were smart enough not buying with their official name and all the info (especially of course, if they are in the US)
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Yea, I agree with you.
 
Dark Sky said:
I think in the UK making false government docs is treason, is this not the same in the US?

Also, that's insane. The FBI, Russian organisations and the elections all involved for a service on BHW? And I thought last months drama crazy
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it's not treason, treason is totally different.

These types of services are fraud and these documents are illegal in the UK.

Identity Documents Act 2010
The Identity Documents Act came into force on 21 January 2011 and repealed sections 25 and 26 of the Identity Cards Act 2006.

The principal amendment is the reference to the narrower defined "personal information" rather than "registrable facts".

The IDA 2010 provisions are largely the same as the ICA 2006 Act.

Possession with intent, 2010 Act.

Section 4(1) - replaces s.25(1) of the Identity Cards Act 2006. It creates an offence for a person with an improper intent to be in possession or control of an identity document which (a) is false and they know or believe to be false or (b) was improperly obtained knowing or believing the same or (c) an identity document that relates to someone else.

"Improper intent" is defined at section 4(2) as intending to establish personal information about himself or intending to allow or induce another to use it to verify personal information about himself or another.

Section 5(1) replaces s.25 (3) of the Identity Card Act 2010. It creates an offence for a person with prohibited intent to make or possess or control, apparatus or any article or material to his knowledge designed or adapted for making false identity documents.

"Prohibited intention" is defined at section 5(2) as an intention that they or another will make a false identity document or that the document will be used by somebody to establish/ ascertain/ verify personal information about a person.

Ss. 4(1) and 5(1) indictable only 10 years' maximum imprisonment or fine or both.

Section 6(1) replaces s.25(5) of the Identity Card Act 2010 and creates an offence for a person without reasonable excuse to have in his possession or control:-

  • a false identity document
  • an improperly obtained identity document
  • someone else's identity document
  • apparatus or any article or material to his knowledge designed or adapted for making false identity documents.
Section 6(1) either way, maximum two years' imprisonment or fine or both.

"Apparatus" is defined in section 9 of the Act.

"Identity document" defined at section 7 Identity Documents Act 2010 and includes

  • An immigration document
  • A passport
  • A document in use instead of a passport
  • A driving license
"Personal information" is defined at section 8 Identity Documents Act 2010 to be an individual's:-

  • Full / other names
  • Gender
  • Date and place of birth
  • Identifying characteristics
  • Address of residence (present and past)
  • Periods of residence
  • Residential status (present and past) i.e. nationality, entitlement to remain in the UK, status of such entitlement.
  • Identification numbers allocated/ identification documents allocated.
Jurisdiction
Offences under section 25 Identity Cards Act and sections 4, 5 and 6 Identity Documents Act 2010 are Group A offences and prosecutors can prosecute if a "relevant event" occurred in England or Wales - see http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1993/36/part/I. This applies whether or not the defendant was in England or Wales at any material time, and whether or not they were a British citizen at any such time. Conspiracies relating to these offences are Group B offences.


Even buying these to get entry to a pub can have a big knock on for you.


Misuse of ID can have serious consequences for business and young people
It is a criminal offence to use false or borrowed ID to gain entry to licensed premises or to buy alcohol. The penalties for doing so can lead to a maximum punishment of £5,000 and 10 years imprisonment.


The Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981

1The offence of forgery.
A person is guilty of forgery if he makes a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.
2The offence of copying a false instrument.
It is an offence for a person to make a copy of an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as a copy of a genuine instrument, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.
3The offence of using a false instrument.
It is an offence for a person to use an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, false, with the intention of inducing somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.
4The offence of using a copy of a false instrument.
It is an offence for a person to use a copy of an instrument which is, and which he knows or believes to be, a false instrument, with the intention of inducing somebody to accept it as a copy of a genuine instrument, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.




The Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981

(l)certified copies relating to an entry in a register of births, adoptions, marriages [F6, civil partnerships] [F7, conversions] or deaths and issued by the Registrar General, the Registrar General for Northern Ireland, a registration officer or a person lawfully authorised to [F8issue certified copies relating to such entries]; and
(m)certificates relating to entries in such registers



I'm not just a pretty face :)
 
NirvanaWolf said:
I don't think Pakistan is voluntarily going to give them up. And good luck finding them in Pakistan.
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I wonder if FBI will go after Damien then for allowing the service.

Heck if I hacked Facebook they would go after Mark Zuckerberg and bring him to the senators even though he has nothing to do with me LOL
 
Dark Sky said:
I wonder if FBI will go after Damien then for allowing the service.

Heck if I hacked Facebook they would go after Mark Zuckerberg and bring him to the senators even though he has nothing to do with me LOL
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Well, I'm sure there things going behind the scenes with Damien and the authorities due to this.
However, unlike Mark Suckerberg, 90% of the population is out to fuck him over, but most people wouldn't even know who DD Is :rolleyes:
 
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