Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Capo Dei Capi, Nov 11, 2015.
Would there be some legal backlashes regarding using this service?
In the United States its not illegal, I'm not sure about other countries.
This is such a good idea. Hats off to those guys.
It is pretty easy to do. I have had so many people put me down as a job reference and get calls about them.
great so when some idiot gets a job as a brain surgeon
im sure you would have no problem in them operation on
some1 you no right? after all
pretty sure its illegal anywhere to provide fake job references
I'm pretty sure you need more than a job reference to be a brain surgeon genius.
In Most countries you actually need to be licensed to be any kind of doctor, so you aren't going to be able to fake your way.
In the US, is the potential employer supposed to do a background check? For example, does he need to check with the previous employer? May be after 9/11 they are legally supposed to do that check without the knowledge of the job applicant.
Ok, I searched for and got this link:
Its optional except for certain jobs, and a background check just shows if the person has a criminal record or not.
I added the following to my post after you posted yours. So here is what I got from Google (the following was added to my last post):
Ok, I searched for and got this link:
(Highlights in the quote are mine.)
I forgot about social media checks, that's done now to see if someone will cause a PR nightmare for a company. Those are somewhat easy to cleanup compared to credit report and education.
Yeah, references are a joke. Just give 2 friends/relatives as a reference and recruiters just call to verify.
Background checks are for criminal records and occasionally they run your credit. But job references are easy. Some background check companies do call previous employers, so this would be good if you wanted to go that route. But if you really have a background, you can leave a company name and they just call the HR department to verify employment. They can't ask any personal questions, so even if you left on a bad note, you don't have to worry about it. Just use your friend as a reference as your manager. I've done it when I've walked out of a job.
At this professional level could you trust your friend to know how to give a professional reference or know what to say. Could be very useful for people
Recruiters don't ask anything hard to answer. Most professionals use recruiters unless you are a direct hire. But even then, the company has an HR person making a quick call or they outsource the background check to a background company. The team manager who would know questions to ask doesn't do the background check, so if you're in IT like me, it's not like the IT manager is making the phone call to your friend, and most of the time they don't care that much to go digging into your background. They've got too much shit to do. I've got plenty of shit on the Internet about me and never once has anyone brought it up to me. People doing background checks don't give a shit. They just want to do the least possible, and Googling the person isn't a requirement in a background check.
So it's just an HR person, a recruiter, or an outsource company making a phone call that is very superficial. I use my sister sometimes as a reference, and they always ask the same things. They ask simple questions like "Did you complete the task" or "What tasks did you ask to do" Things like that. It's never technical or detailed.
This is actually one of my favorite topics! Faking a Resume is such an easy task, people will believe anything if it sounds fancy! There was actually a reporter a while back who faked his way into 5 of the top Pharma companies with a completely fake resume & identity.
First of all, background checks are a joke. You can fool those in so many ways, it's laughable & absolutely no problem. For example: Let's say they're checking your facts and you provide them with three companies you've worked at in the past. The first one (sadly) closed down a few years ago. The second one was sold & then when broke. The third one was on another continent and has no website, but you give them the email address and they respond. You would still pass their check easily!
The real problem comes with faking diplomas & certificates.... What good is the best resume when you never went to university? So a lot of people end up buying fake degrees which is illegal in most countries & will probably come out after a while. How? Well, when those online companies flip (and they do at some point), your fancy degree is suddenly incriminating - and remember, HR has copies of everything!
Shoot, and here I was putting down clients for references. This could be a lot cheaper than offering 'discounts'.
I had a friend who decided to completely make up a job title at a fictitious company he made a website for. Then he put a forwarded Google Voice number to his own phone in as the contact number for the reference on his resume. They called and he acted like the director of the firm, and left himself a glowing recommendation. He got the job, and within two years was promoted through the manager and director level and is now sitting in a six figure a year vice president position.
Fake it til you make it. I personally wouldn't do it, though.
It's really not hard if you have some knowledge of how the internet works. Buy an aged domain, set up a website... emails... google voice & that's it!
In some of the states in the USA, degrees aren't regulated so you can get a degree from a non-accredited university which is still legal and then you can claim that oer buying a fake one.
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