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[Experiment] Sandbox a new site?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by pietpatat, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. pietpatat

    pietpatat Regular Member

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    I did a little experiment because alot of people were saying not to blast a new site right away, but you should slowly build up backlinks.
    Well here are the results;


    Domain: satnavs-bestbuys.com
    Domain created on: 2010-09-25
    Keyword: Sat Navs Best Buys


    2010-10-28 : Rank 40
    Senuke: Social Bookmark Nuke ( 13 backlinks ) + RSS Nuke ( 12 backlinks ) + Video Nuke ( 19 backlinks )

    2010-10-30: Rank 39
    Scrapebox: 1850 Verified Blog Engine comments ( so mostly do-follow ) to homepage with keyword as anchor.

    2010-11-01: Rank: Sandboxed

    2010-11-03: Rank 70
    Article Marketing Robot: Submitted article to 590 directories, already showing 123 articles with backlink.

    2010-11-06: Rank 5

    2010-11-08: Rank 3
    458 backlinks indexed in Yahoo backlinks checker
    Scrapebox: 7000 backlinks met rapid indexer, random anchor text.
     
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  2. masteraffmarket

    masteraffmarket Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    yeah i think that whole wait to backlink myth is stupid. I want my site to rank right away not in 6 months.

    I mean look at sites like youtube and facebook that BLEW up. they were getting thousands of backlinks the first day the launched.

    Just use common sense ppl.
     
  3. JettyZ

    JettyZ Newbie

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    Interesting results. But, is building backlinks slowly more effective than blasting all at once?
     
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    txhepoker Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    How in the hell could you be sandboxed for only a few days????
     
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    because ppl misunderstand what sandbox and being penalized from google and google ban.

    Sandbox is merely a that googles puts a website when they do not know where to put it.

    Since backlinks cause your ranking to go up, once you get more google has to calculate
    where exactly you should go. from my eyes sandbox is a good thing
     
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  6. d4l1t0s

    d4l1t0s Power Member

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    Seriously, I don't know who came up with the idea to wait before backlinking your website but the idea itself is just plain stupid .
    Thank you Op for the Great Example :)
    +rep given
     
  7. greentitanium

    greentitanium Senior Member

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    i think niche is important.
    but most importantly outbound links, which is hardly talked about
     
  8. gleddy13

    gleddy13 Newbie

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    It doesn't look like I can start a new thread since I am brand new, so I will ask this here since it deals with the sandbox.

    I just noticed that someone is sending random ScrapeBox links to the home page of one of my main sites. A few hundred have shown up over the last several days. This site is 9 years old, has several thousand pages indexed and is currently showing 5K backlinks so I am not worried about this hurting me, mainly wondering why.

    Someone could have picked my domain randomly and is just doing some tests. Or it could be a competitor that is trying to hurt me and just doesn't know what he is doing (at least he would have to do a lot more than he has done so far).
    Can anyone think of a reason I should be worried or is it possible to find out where this is coming from?

    Thanks!
     
  9. nightshade787

    nightshade787 Junior Member

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    Thanks for sharing!


    How did you distribute anchor text?

    Did you use the same keyword for anchor, or did you mixed it up?
     
  10. darshan1994

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    Nice results on a med level niche. 165k Competition and you beat that. Seems like articles and scrapebox does the biggest job.(Even though SB sandboxed you, I guess they did it to caculate your ranking)

    If you did more content and put links to that I think you wouldve had better results. Still this is great test.
     
  11. SEO.9

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    thanks for sharing your test result

    but your sites has just disappeared 2 days only, that's just the normal google dance, not a "sandbox"
     
  12. cabbage

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    I'm inclined to agree with this.
     
  13. pietpatat

    pietpatat Regular Member

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    In my experience google dance / google sandbox is all the same. The only thing that is different is google de-indexing your site.

    No mixing, just the exact keyword for all the comments.
     
  14. greentitanium

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    They can be trying... but a 9 year old domain, they are probably only helping. I would look at 2 things.
    where are the links coming from? If they are adult or shady sites,
    then they could be trying to harm your site.
    If they are not, then i wouldnt worry about it.
    also, it is possible one link got to a big site and went site wide.
    this can easily lead to thousands of links.
     
  15. Sniper

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    So, based on your test, would you say that AMR pulled you out of the sandbox?
     
  16. Bartman

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    My site was on page 7, and after 1000 blog comments, it has disappeared. it is still indexed, but it is not found in the first 1000 results. it disappeared 2 weeks ago.
    I have been commenting for the past 2 weeks at an average of 100 comments a day.
    but my site is not moving up. is there any hope for me?
     
  17. gleddy13

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    Thanks for the reply. I checked several of the links and they were all on different sites, mostly different names as the anchor text and mostly different comments. They were all on regular blogs, no adult content. Seemed very strange. Maybe someone was just doing tests.
     
  18. pietpatat

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    I would say that because I kept building links pulled me out the sandbox.
     
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    Nice test. So much for site reputation and sandboxing but intuitively that does make sense. Something other than the number of backlinks being acquired in a short amount of time is sandboxing some sites.
     
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    Your site is showing on the second page of g.com to me. Besides, it is too soon to reach a definite conclusion.