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Epic Case Study: Tier 2 Services from BHW

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  1. xha44a

    xha44a Power Member

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    Case Study: Tier 2 Services from BHW

    So in October of last year I came upwith my Tier 1 plan for one of my money sites. There were a whole bunch of things I had planned... Web 2.0's, microsites (PBN),video/document sharing, social, etc ? all part of my Tier 1 master plan. You can check that out here. Part of this Tier 1 master plan called for approximately 4k web 2.0's, which had to have authority. I'll admit I scaled this right back. It was scaled back basically because of the cost of content. I don't have a lot of money to spend until I rank better, so 100 Pogiboys (highly recommended) had to work. So having 100 Web 2.0's is great ? now I had to populate them with content and give them authority. I used Rankwyz to drip out content to them, getting them up to 8 posts (largest) now with more scheduled to drip. The next part was the authority and relevance I wanted them to pass on.


    Here (as in most areas) I had no experience. You can see my post with a shortlist of BST's here, asking for some input from BHW on what was the best. I got a lot of the usual drivel like ?outsource to fiverr?, ?read the reviews? etc ? as if either of those really helps me compare between my shortlist of BST's which was what I was trying to do. Wish I had a button that could delete unhelpful idiots from my thread. Anyway, after a while user IProvideSEO suggested to me to make groups of my web 2.0's and then test the different packages on a group of each, and compare the results. Given the answers my thread endured up to that point, even a simple suggestion like that was awesome. So I decided to take his advice.That's where I came up with this Tier 2 case study which I'm now sharing with BHW.


    So, that said I want to point something out. I'm not interested in promoting or dissing a service ? I'm just sharing what worked for me for Tier 2 links. If your service is mentioned here unfavorably I'm sorry ? this is just my personal experience I'm sure your service works great for others or if used differently. That out of the way, here's the juicy details and how I went about this


    Objective: Find out which of my shortlisted services offers the most BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. I emphasize this because I'm sure I could have seen better results by throwing more expensive PR links at them, but I'm looking for the best value of links. Trying to keep the price down.


    Rating Method: Rankings for my money site keywords. I toyed with a few ideas for how to judge how good my results were. I thought of SEOMoz metrics PA. Ahrefs or maybe TF/CF. Ultimately I decided none of those were what I was after. I remember someone saying that if you wanted to rank #1 for a keyword,all you have to do is get the top 20 sites for that keyword to link to you. Not the easiest task when they are competition for sure, but I felt the point being made was this. A link from a site already ranking for a keyword is highly relevant, and therefore highly likely to move you up for that keyword.


    Keeping that in mind I decided that my rating method would be this ? ranking my web 2.0's for the keywords I want my money site to rank for. If I can push the web 2.0's to page 1 and 2 and then link them to my money site it should make a huge difference.

    Boring Details:

    1. Divide my 100 web 2.0's randomly into 4 different test groups.
    2. Make a list of 25 money site keywords I want them to rank for.
    3. Find 4 different services to test out. Try to keep the dollar price roughly the same. Buy the services giving them a test group of URL's and the same 25 keywords
    4. Sit back for a month and let them do their magic, then analyze and figure out what worked best

    One thing I tried to do throughout the entire process was to keep everything the same. This is important to try and isolate the effect of the links purchased, which I have done to MY satisfaction. Which is all that counts. So I kept the content the same (articles heavily spun), and didn't do any other linking to these properties. The only thing I think may have affected this is one of these packages wasn't a 30 day drip. It was afire and forget sort of package. I tried to compensate for this by doing the calculating of serps for this group 30 days from purchase.For the rest of the links I did the calculations 60 days from purchase (30 day drip, then 30 days of time to index/affect serps).

    So all in all this little study took me 2 months and a few hundred dollars (Pogiboys, Rankwyz, packages, Ahrefs reports), so if you appreciate the sharing of this click that little thanks button.

    Results:

    To give a full picture and maybe explain why some of this happened, I'm going to give some background on the research done on each group. After the allocated time, I took 3 random web 2.0's from each group and looked up a few metrics. Namely PA, # of links, # of ref. Domains., # of anchors, highest % for any anchor text, and country of links. Plus I also looked for anything ?bad?. This was done with Ahrefs and Moz.

    I think at this point I should reveal the test groups and services used.

    Group 1: Cost $18
    300 High PR Blog Posts Dripped over 30 days
    300 links / 25 properties should be 12 per property. Not much, but let's see if it did anything.

    Group 2: Cost $25
    400 Blog Posts PR 1 ? 6 Dripped over 30 days.
    They say 750 links / 25 properties should be 30 links per property. Little more than #1.

    Group 3: Cost $20 + $10 for dripping
    1000 Web 2.0's from unique domains with Tier 2 & 3 to those web 2.0's.
    They say 1k links / 25 properties is 50 links per property. Not bad, plus it already has tiers built to it.

    Group 4: Cost $20 ? no drip available
    1000 web 2.0's plus 500 social bookmarks and 100 AA article directory posts allegedly. Total of 1600 links / 25 properties = 64 links per property. Nuff said.

    Without further ado let's dive in.Charts being the most efficient way to convey this kind of data, here they are. Courtesy of LibreOffice (way faster than MS Office or OO by the way ? tried it on calculations with a list of 40k keywords)


    Group 1 Results:

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    Notes: As you can see from the chart, I didn't find a ton of referring domains, which I would have preferred.The 3 referring domains that I did check out had a maximum PR 0. Not N/A. Also slightly disappointing was one of those properties (#1)having 28 links, but from 1 domain. It doesn't explicitly say it onthe sales thread, but I was hoping the links per web 2.0 would come from different domains. Not all the same as seemed to be the case here.

    Group 2 Results:

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    Obviously #1 on this chart hadn't shown up in ahrefs or anywhere yet. I'm hoping they build links to this!Assuming they did, but it's possible it's taking some time to show up. Ahrefs doesn't know everything. What I loved about group 2. I checked some of the links ? there were homepage PR's of up to 5!Obviously not page PR. Homepage PR. But still, that's pretty cool.The downside is clearly visible in the low number of anchors,resulting in the really HIGH anchor concentration visible, especially on #3. I will be diluting those anchors for sure if they haven't changed after a month. The number of links was small. I'm supposed to get 3 links per blog from this service. That part seems all right.However the expected 30 links per property haven't showed up in Ahrefs yet. That could be a time thing. Not sure.

    Group 3 Results:

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    Well. Now we're doing better. With the exception of PA. Which I hardly care about. Anchor text isn't too high. Number of anchors is nice on #1 ? 10 anchors is OK though I did give a 25 keyword list. Only other notes worth seeing is that the network links came heavily from country specific regions, UNLIKE the last 2 services. UK, Iran, Taiwan, Russia ? those are where the links were coming from on these samples.

    Group 4 Results:

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    I REALLY LIKE THIS. PA is up there(though it is useless), # of links is where it should be ? 64 each? and more. Anchors are OK ? highest is 20% with over 12 anchors.Interesting metrics are the country ones... Russia, Iran, Thailand,Venezuela and Slovania. For whatever that is worth. One thing I didn't like was that somehow I got what look like Arabic anchors for one of these tests properties #3 I believe ? I'm not sure if that is supposed to be LSI or what.

    Those are the packages and the metrics from them. That should help everyone make a semi-informed decision.Do with it what you like.

    Saving the Best for Last

    I mentioned above that I would not be using some sort of metrics as a final determination for how I would rate success. I would determine the success of a package by it ranking for the 25 keywords I gave them. Here's the moment you've all been waiting for...

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    Couple comments here. Top to bottom is serp ranking. Bottom is better. Left to right is my keywords. Group 4 dominated the serps. Not sure if that is for the volume of links or what. I think it has to do with the fact that Group 4 got the most anchors out there for links (expected given the higher #?). Group 2 hardly showed up to the party.Which is disappointing considering I did find a PR 5 homepage on the one blog it was posted on. Homepage isn't blog post page I understand, but I thought it would be worth something. As far as the Web 2.0's went, Group 4 was clearly better. Group 3 though was not totally wasted. It showed up in a few places. As far as the blog posts go, IF I was to go with one, which I'm not certain I would, then Group 1 would be better ?at least this worked better for me.

    A few notes might help to give context here. I searched all my keywords Google.com with exact (in quotations) match. Competition for these exact match went up to 700k+ where my web 2.0's were ranking. Some pages I was up against Ask.com,About.com etc. There is one keyword term where I have 6/10 on the first page (including 1,2,3), for 144k exact match. Long story short ? it's a good start I think.

    Anyway guys, that's all I got to share.Opening the floor up now for discussion :)

    If you liked this case study, and if Isaved you some time and money doing this on your own, feel free toclick the thanks button, buy me beer, or donate millions to my fund.
     
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  2. antichrist

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    Great write up! Now what I really want to know is where your money site is ranking now and what kind of results you get when everything is linked up.
     
  3. xha44a

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    Glad you liked it! It took me a lot of time so hopefully someone gets something out of it. To be honest I haven't linked ANY of these with my money site. I'm going to build up some authority, then add a couple manual/unique articles on each one before linking it to my money site. I'm trying to do this cautiously so it could pass a manual review. I will be doing that linking once my *new* improved version of my money site goes live. Until then this is just laying the foundation :)
     
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    Where did you get 8 posts per web 2.0? Were these just scraped, or were these unique as well?
     
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    did your money site ranked? have you gained dramatic traffic yet?
     
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    Thank you OP! As a long time lurker I can tell you that imho this is the direction many more posts on BHW should be going.
     
  7. xha44a

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    These were pretty much unique. They're at the bottom of it spun content (paragraph/sentence/word) so they don't show up on copyscape at all. Google also probably doesn't consider them duplicate since I can get 6 of them on the front page :)

    Please reread the thread this has already been answered.

    I got the inspiration from WF (not WaFo) - they have a great section with stuff like this. Tired of the useless posts on here and trying to do my part to help.
     
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    Totally apologize for my fiverr comment on the other thread, just honestly threw it there without reading :You_Rock_
     
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    No worries dude. I'm super particular about stuff and when I want specifics I lose it at generalizations. I probably over reacted a bit there too :)
     
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    Great case study! by the way, out of 100 web2.0 sites, how many are from unique domains? Also, how frequently you update the content on those web2.0 sites.

    thanks
     
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    Nice, I am currently also trying some tier 2 backlinks. Thanks for the case study.

    One of the service I tried is SAPE links for tier 2 pointed to 5 web 2.0. It's been 2-3 weeks now and 1 of the web 2.0 is ranking in top 150 from nowhere. I think it's works quite well combined with anchors diversity and other type of links which I am trying to build now. I'll let you know the end results when all tier 2 links are built.
     
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    THIS IS WORLD CLASS!! I have missed to read something like this on BHW, beside all the threads about 12 year old going for $10.000 a day.

    THANKS BRO!

    I've been messing around with the same services you have used and still use them all, really good for fast results.
     
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    A proper case study with various tests and results. Doesn't get much better than this.

    Thanks a ton for the share.
     
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    Nice case study! I really enjoy reading stuff like this.
     
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    Really Good job on this study. Very interesting results. A couple of points, comments and questions:

    1. Why do you say you'd go with #1 when #4 clearly performed the best?

    2. To each his own I know...but I'm not a big fan of the "competition" search you did (quotes in google). I don't think it measures too much to be honest. For a free tool I'd recommend the following: http://www.keywordrevealer.com/ Sign up, import your 25 keywords and evaluate each one (doesn't take long at all). That KW difficulty will give you a much better measurement (and us if you choose to do it and share). No I have nothing to do with them. Just found it to be a fairly accurate tool. And you can't beat the price.

    3. IF you end up linking the Web 2.0's to your money site, PLEASE do come back and tell us how it worked out. Ultimately THAT is what we are all using these tiers for...to RANK the site that makes $$$.

    Thanks for some great insight and excellent details on the work you did. I know I speak for lots of people when I say it's MUCH APPRECIATED!!!

    Best of luck to you in all your future endeavors :beerchug:
     
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    Great case study. The graphs say a lot than the words.

    Thanks for the share, I am planning to do some tests as well. I now have a clear idea how will I move forward.
     
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    Although group #4 showed very good results as well,most of the links will be gone after few months and with this the rankings will start to drop as well.I've tested this extensively and the best strategy is to go with permanent links for up to 3(4 for the more competitive keywords) tiers.
     
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    OK how many unique domains. I think I'm running 23 or so unique domains. Some of the groups had 2 of the same domain there, most were however unique. All unique subdomains obviously. For content, I usually have 3 heavily spun posts dripping 1/day/post. Now I believe Rankwyz does this pretty much randomly, so if you average it out it should be 1 every 8 days but may be more or less depending on what mood rankwyz is in.

    1. Group 3 & 4 were web 2.0 linking services. Group 1 & 2 were blog post linking services. Blog posts on domains, NOT on web 2.0's. So they are kind of 2 different categories of links. I said if I was going to go with blog posts (Group 1/2), I would choose #1 for the results, even though #2 had better PR/metrics. #2 didn't put out.

    2. I've manually checked all the serps by hand for this study. Doing what you are asking would require me to manually check the serps for 25 keywords, going to page 10, looking for my 25 web 2.0's. In short, it's not happening ;-) However, being the generous soul that I am I did take a look at one keyword I thought would be most likely to be there (this keyword I had 4 rankings on the 2nd page). I found properties on page 7, 11, 15. Keyword difficulty showed up as 42. Not sure if that helps you, but it's all I'm really willing to check manually at the moment. Sorry. How would you rank that? Decent/bad/awesome?

    3. I will link them to my money site. Though at the rate I'm managing to get my money site redone, that's looking a long time off :-( Also, I'm planning on juicing these babies more with some other twists as mentioned above, so I doubt I will report back with this. It's possible though, just unlikely.

    Also, I want to take a minute to thank you for posting an intelligent, well thought out response to my post. Honestly.

    That may be true. This is the second month already and I will be sure to keep monitoring them as I go down the road.
     
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    I'd say that's pretty decent! Thanks a lot for doing that. Much appreciated.

    Hope the money site kicks some ass once you finally get it up and going.

    Thanks a lot and take care man.
     
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