does this at scale hurts your SEO?? (or improves it?)

nicooomore

nicooomore

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heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
 
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Is this not frowned upon by Google? This used to be a thing like 10-20 years ago. I think it's risky nowadays or am I wrong?
 
nicooomore said:
heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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makes sense especially if links are inside content but if you scale too much with same patterns google might catch on like reciprocal footprints or repeated anchors if you diversify sources and spread it over time should be fine just don’t let quantity beat quality
 
nicooomore said:
Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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google will take your whole network down (all sites that are part of it will get de-indexed) as soon as they find out. And considering they are monitoring this forum closely it could happen next week, or next month, or even by the end of this year (as soon as they figure out a way to detect all sites in the network).

The same thing happened to BMR (Build My Rank) and ALN (All Links Network) some 10-15 years ago. Just ride the wave while it lasts if you want to, but personally, I would tell everyone who has sites in this network that sooner or later their sites might get de-indexed. If you don't do this, they'll come after you when it happens, so be transparent and honest with them, upfront, to avoid headaches or even legal issues...
 
tazarbm said:
google will take your whole network down (all sites that are part of it will get de-indexed) as soon as they find out. And considering they are monitoring this forum closely it could happen next week, or next month, or even by the end of this year (as soon as they figure out a way to detect all sites in the network).

The same thing happened to BMR (Build My Rank) and ALN (All Links Network) some 10-15 years ago. Just ride the wave while it lasts if you want to, but personally, I would tell everyone who has sites in this network that sooner or later their sites might get de-indexed. If you don't do this, they'll come after you when it happens, so be transparent and honest with them, upfront, to avoid headaches or even legal issues...
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I know Google will deindex my site but honestly don't care because my main user acquisition channels are not with SEO, I'm not even counting with it

About the users of the platform, they already have a message of being cautious about how many links get per month and also are adviced to get links in other ways, however I don't think they'll be deindexed since links are placed within context inside an article, and also planning to do chain collaboration like: Website A links to Website B, Website B links to Website C and Website C links to Website A
 
nicooomore said:
however I don't think they'll be deindexed since links are placed within context inside an article
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you don't seem to get it :)

Google hates ALL link builders, especially the systematic ones who work at large scale to game their algorithms, which is exactly what you're doing and what other networks before you did. As soon as google finds out about your network your clients' sites are done ranking in google

basslion said:
Is this not frowned upon by Google? This used to be a thing like 10-20 years ago. I think it's risky nowadays or am I wrong?
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it is! Google will tank all sites in his network when they find out about this
 
nicooomore said:
heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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At a small scale, your strategy is clean. But at a larger scale, Google may consider the platform as an artificial link scheme. To avoid this, focus on quality, diversity, and discretion.
 
tazarbm said:
you don't seem to get it :)

Google hates ALL link builders, especially the systematic ones who work at large scale to game their algorithms, which is exactly what you're doing and what other networks before you did. As soon as google finds out about your network your clients' sites are done ranking in google


it is! Google will tank all sites in his network when they find out about this
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I completely get it, Google will deindex my site and I'm already counting with it

People with Build My Rank were doing a lot of backlinks (up to 10 articles per day, INSANE) while on my platform users are limited to 5 per month (I'm still looking for the right number here), reducing the possibility of being caught

Also, when you login the platform, websites are not displayed all in a single table (making it easy for them to deindex all), they're filtered by sites that matches your niche/content and only the description of the site it's being shown until you click on 'match' (it will count as 1 credit let's say), how can Google deindex all my users only with that?
 
Interesting project you're building. At small scale it might help, but once it grows too much and looks like a link scheme, Google might start flagging it. Contextual links are better, but volume still matters. Might be good to mix in natural ones too.
 
nicooomore said:
I completely get it,
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no, you're still not getting it. And this quote is proof of that:

nicooomore said:
People with Build My Rank were doing a lot of backlinks (up to 10 articles per day, INSANE) while on my platform users are limited to 5 per month (I'm still looking for the right number here), reducing the possibility of being caught
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... because google doesn't give a rat's ass that you build 1 link per year, or 10 links per day. To them the action of building links to game their system (ie. to gain rankings) - which is exactly what you're doing - has the same effect (will get all of your sites de-indexed). When they catch you (it's not about IF, but about WHEN) you're done! You and all of the sites in your network!

And if losing your sites is not a problem for you, de-indexing the sites of your clients WILL be a problem for you because it's you that those people come after when they see that their sites are banned from google.

It's those people that will sue you and demand financial reparations for tanking their sites, and it's these people that I am trying to save you from.

Anyway, I begin to sound like a broken record and I don't like it. I've given you a fair warning that you're playing a game you can't win, but it's your call ultimately, so do what you want now that you know the facts.

And with this, I'm done replying to this thread. Hopefully, it will work out in your favor somehow...
 
tazarbm said:
no, you're still not getting it. And this quote is proof of that:



... because google doesn't give a rat's ass that you build 1 link per year, or 10 links per day. To them the action of building links to game their system (ie. to gain rankings) - which is exactly what you're doing - has the same effect (will get all of your sites de-indexed). When they catch you (it's not about IF, but about WHEN) you're done! You and all of the sites in your network!

And if losing your sites is not a problem for you, de-indexing the sites of your clients WILL be a problem for you because it's you that those people come after when they see that their sites are banned from google.

It's those people that will sue you and demand financial reparations for tanking their sites, and it's these people that I am trying to save you from.

Anyway, I begin to sound like a broken record and I don't like it. I've given you a fair warning that you're playing a game you can't win, but it's your call ultimately, so do what you want now that you know the facts.

And with this, I'm done replying to this thread. Hopefully, it will work out in your favor somehow...
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Thanks for this comment, I super appreciate it, honestly!

Sorry for being stubborn with this, but I really trust in this idea and already know the risks I'm taking

Thanks again, and wish you the best!
 
There was a time when link wheel networks were popular. Circa 2008. Not so much now - with a reason. Not trying to shit on your idea, but this really was tried and tested a long time ago and resulted in a lot of deindexed websites.
 
nicooomore said:
heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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this will likely only fly under the radar if you
stay small scale
 
Yes, Google will affect your site for sure. If you add more it's a huge footprint, and Google will see it as a network link. You need to diversify your link profile with other sources to look more natural.
 
At huge scale patterns matter more than intent, so be careful with footprints.
 
nicooomore said:
heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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In a small scale, you may be overlooked, but as time goes by and the scale increases, you must consider your way out; this cannot be ignored.
 
xiaoguai said:
In a small scale, you may be overlooked, but as time goes by and the scale increases, you must consider your way out; this cannot be ignored.
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what are the possible consequences I could have if I keep going? I already know the website will be deindexed, already counting with it and that's why I'm not using SEO for user acquisition

however, apart of being deindexed from google, is there other consequences? My users are also covered because inside the platform all websites are hidden, you can only view them if you want to collaborate each other.. and if they don't abuse this technique, how will google will find out?
 
nicooomore said:
heey, I've been working on a free platform where users can exchange backlinks with other websites on the same niche

We're validating that the links are being placed on user-first articles around relevant context, not on the footer or other irrelevant sections

This has been working great at the beginning, being able to acquire 1240+ backlink collaboration but my concerns is what happens with this when it scales for a website?

Right now I'm blocking two sites to match again to prevent multiple collaborations, however I'm wondering what happens when this goes at scale like 500, 1000 backlinks acquired this way... will Google penalize these sites?
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yo this kinda setup sounds clean at first, but once it hits scale like 500+ backlinks, google might start side-eyeing it if the links feel too "trade-y" or repetitive. even if they’re in decent content spots, algo still checks for patterns. keeping it varied, natural, and not too circular is key
 
RapidWorkers said:
yo this kinda setup sounds clean at first, but once it hits scale like 500+ backlinks, google might start side-eyeing it if the links feel too "trade-y" or repetitive. even if they’re in decent content spots, algo still checks for patterns. keeping it varied, natural, and not too circular is key
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what about triangular links?

something like:
1. Website A -> Website B
2. Website B -> Website C
3. Website C -> Website A
 
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