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"do not point at your main money site" why?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nat3r, Mar 9, 2011.

  1. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    i dont get it when people say not to blast blacklinks towards your main money site...so where are you supposed to blast the links to? secondary sites that link to your main sites? wont G see through this?
     
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    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Secondary, thiddary, fourthardy sites.... Google will not see this if you do it randomly.

    What Google will see, if you blast your own sites, is that all of a sudden there are a lot of backlinks to that site.

    Now that will happen naturally at times but for the most part, that is not a good idea... especially for a new site as that does not look natural.
     
  3. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    so you spread the blasts out to other sites that link to your money site?
     
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    UrbanMyth Regular Member

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    yes you do
     
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    The best way to make you understand is for you to build a site, set it up for making an income and then blast it with all kinds of tricks. Pull out all the tools you have. Now see how that works out for you. It you like the results then continue. If you feel the results suck, then don't do that anymore.
     
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    Indirect Linking my friend....
     
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    hehe, try...100k? yea that should do it ;p
     
  8. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    i still dont get it though

    ok lets say SITE A is my money site

    and i have 3 other sites which all are called B

    so
    1. if im trying to use adsense, do i only put ads on the A site?
    2. wouldnt it be obvious to google that all the b sites that are being blasted to are linking to the A site? or do they not look that closely
     
  9. Autumn

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    One of the ideas is that brand new sites are less resistant to spammy links than older, established sites. Blasting a brand new domain with really shitty backlinks is a good way to get it banned fast or permanently penalized - I have done this more times than I can count.

    When you set up web 2.0s, splogs on established free blog hosts etc and then link to your money site from them, your money site starts to inherit some of the editorial trust that those web 2.0 domains have. Those web 2.0s are also more resistant to spammy links (because they are on a trusted, aged domain with plenty of existing backlinks), so you can start generating link juice by pointing shitty links at your web 2.0s and thus funneling it to your money site. The web 2.0s won't get penalized as easily and so they will carry the link juice through to your money site.

    Once your money site has aged a bit, gotten some indirect link juice and trust from the web 2.0s and is firmly woven into the fabric of the internet, then you can start pumping some more spammy links directly at your money site.

    Of course, you can also start pumping direct links to your money site from day one. It works well in some situations - it just depends on your exact linking strategy. If you can get some tasty authority links right from the start, that immunizes your money site somewhat against the negative effects of spammy links. I recommend testing both ways and seeing what works for you.

    A good way to look at it is that you want to mirror the linking pattern of a site that goes viral - ie. quickly acquires a shit ton of links. For example, first a small proportion of the net discovers this brand new thing and raves about it. It gets picked up by the social networks, social bookmarking sites etc and has a huge rush of incoming links and traffic from authority sites. Then all the second and third tier blogs etc start posting about it in the coming weeks, then the scrapers start picking those links up, and links to the site are eventually spread far and wide through the bowels of the internet.

    What would the rate of link acquisition be? What sites would pick up this new and wonderful site? What kind of anchor text would be used for each different type of site that links to said new site? How would the backlink profile of a naturally viral, high quality piece of fresh content look compared to someone who just started link spamming their new crap whatever way they could? All questions for you to consider...
     
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  10. Autumn

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    1) Yes, Adsense sucks though in many people's opinions. That's a whole different thread though. IMHO your feeder sites should be ad free and non-commercial (and most web 2.0s don't allow advertising anyway). You want link juice, not ad revenue, from your web 2.0 feeder sites.

    2) That's why you mix it up and make it random! That's where scripting comes in handy - to truly randomize your outlinks as much as possible. Try not to have really rigid link wheels - mix it up, cross link them, link out to several domains in a random fashion from each feeder site (not just one), mix up the backlinks to each feeder site, link out to random authority domains to confuse the link graph. Make it messy and chaotic.
     
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  11. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    when you say "web 2.0's" you mean, social bookmarking and article sites right?
     
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    So seconadry sites as in sites that redirect to your sites?
    Or sites with your backlinks?
     
  13. BassTrackerBoats

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    No he means sites like these - Web 2.0 Site List
     
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  14. nat3r

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    ok so your money site should be self hosted obviously

    your secondary sites should be weebly, blogger, wordpress.com, etc.

    then where should article submissions point to, the secondary sites or the money sites

    assuming the articles are unique
     
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    unique to the money site, spun to the second and third parties site.

    edit: dont send the unique version to nthe main site, and then the spun version of the unique articles to the second sites. Get 10 unique articles for your main, than spun 10 other unique articles.
     
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  16. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    your edit just confused the hell out of me..

    "send send the unique version to nthe main site...get 10 unique articles for your main"

    ??
     
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    Yes, edit doesn't make sense, we are supposed to post unique or spun articles to the 2nd sites?
     
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    Get 10 articles written for your main site and put those on there...

    Get 10 more articles written, spin them, and put THOSE on your secondary sties...

    If he didnt mean get another 10 new ones and spin them, then what he meant was piece together different articles to form 1 unique article then repeat the process until u have 10.

    Then out of those 10 "unique' articles spin again and place on your secondary site as stated before
     
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    What he's saying is use 10 unique articles on your site that you don't spin. Get 10 more unique articles for spinning to post out on other sites.

    I've blasted sites with lots of links. I've found that some niches can tolerate different link velocities than others. If it's a very active niche like celebrities than you can blast it with more vs something that has very little movement like African fruit flies.

    What happens is that the slower niche sites get bumped into the supplemental index for longer periods of time while google figures out what to do. I've also seen them get stuck further down the search results. All in all though they usually come back up after a period of time. Older established sites don't tend to dance as much and have better stick rates.
     
  20. nat3r

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    welp, there goes my niche