Discussion for real SEOs: SAPE vs Cheap PBN Posts -> Buffer Site

Here is the deal guys, I wanted a discussion on a topic I am getting back into. I want to either pump SAPE links or cheap PBN posts to a couple buffer sites for a new project. Unlike past projects I can not be as reckless with this domain as it is new.

In the past I have:

1. Used SAPE -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
2. Cheap PBN Posts -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
3. SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
4. Cheap PBN Posts -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
5. Combination of PBN and SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
6. Cheap PBN -> URL Shortener -> Money Site
7. SAPE -> URL Shortener -> Money Site
8. Cheap PBN -> URL Shortener -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
9. SAPE -> URL Shortener -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site

Now, most of this I use for Churn and Burn, for this project I am mainly looking at SAPE or PBN to a Web 2.0 Buffer then to a Money Site.

With other methods, while they work, I lose a good amount of link juice OR the money site eventually will get burned.

I want to keep this as a long term project but want to rank quicker.

As everyone should know, SAPE is quicker and more powerful, but the recurring payment is something I would like to avoid.

So my question to those who have done both and are experienced, what is your preference?

SAPE or cheap PBN posts when pointing at a Web 2.0 buffer?

NOTE: The rest of the 'how I have done it in the past' is to help those who want to know how I do churn and burn projects. You can stop PMing me.

My suggestion would be SAPE, a lot of those cheap PBN has pretty much closed to no link juice.

If you can buy directly from SAPE then i don't think the recurring payment would be the issue, it is cheap as fuck to be honest.

With 100$ per month you can buy some very decent links, let say you earn at least 500$ per month with that 1 niche then it would be a very good deal isn't it?

Just my 2cent.

what people call buffer sites ? syndicating websites ?

You are absolutely right about the recurring cost being pretty much nothing, depending how many links I choose to go with. 'Good Links', last time I checked, were all under a dollar on ru.

Great value to be honest.

EDIT:

Buffer site is going to be a Web 2.0 or Domain to handle any potential penalty and act as a shield between money site and spam.

you just revealed all your money making linkbuilding method, shame on you!

kidding, but at least I learned these ways and thanks as always

Personally I'd go the PBN route, SAPE certainly has strong links, but for a long(er) term project I wouldn't rent links. Renting rules short term, but becomes very expensive long term. Even only $100 a month add up to $2400 in 2 years. In 5 years, it's already $6000. This money certainly gets you much more linkjuice overall when buying PBN posts...even when caculating deindexing, sites/networks going out of business, etc.

terrycody said:

you just revealed all your money making linkbuilding method, shame on you!

kidding, but at least I learned these ways and thanks as always

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This stuff is not exactly a secret or anything, but I notice this type of link building is not spoken of much.

starki said:

Personally I'd go the PBN route, SAPE certainly has strong links, but for a long(er) term project I wouldn't rent links. Renting rules short term, but becomes very expensive long term. Even only $100 a month add up to $2400 in 2 years. In 5 years, it's already $6000. This money certainly gets you much more linkjuice overall when buying PBN posts...even when caculating deindexing, sites/networks going out of business, etc.

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That you for the input. Added to my mental list of opinions.

starki said:

Personally I'd go the PBN route, SAPE certainly has strong links, but for a long(er) term project I wouldn't rent links. Renting rules short term, but becomes very expensive long term. Even only $100 a month add up to $2400 in 2 years. In 5 years, it's already $6000. This money certainly gets you much more linkjuice overall when buying PBN posts...even when caculating deindexing, sites/networks going out of business, etc.

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To add to this, thinking in terms of 5 years, $6000 can afford you 60 PBNs. You do have a lot more flexibility and link juice to play with by owning the PBNs though but for sheer lack of maintenance SAPE def. has its merits

3. SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site

Replace the 301 with a static HTML page on aged niche domain, with 1 OBL, (money site) that auto redirects (5 second delay).

Content should state that your company has acquired the other. This also gives you great control over anchors.

ah btw, please keep us posted about the route you choose and how it turns out.

I would be interested to know how you implement these strategy to a real life projects

I have used all of the aforementioned. It all depends on the project and projected ROI.

For cheap PBN links I buy some of the 1000 posts for $100 off of BHW and link them all to about ten buffer sites. Repeat with a different network every two weeks until I get my desired results.

SAPE is different. I use it for a high ROI but low chance to stick niche. Blast $100 worth of links bought off of sape.ru or if I use a broker, 200 + in links and usually that does the trick.

For this project I am undecided. but will update what I do.

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This is a long term project and should last a long time. I am set up using Web 2.0 buffers and either PBN or Sape pointing to them for this type of project.

Go for sape. Most of the cheap PBNs offer no link juice at all and are mostly junk.

This is a good thread to read and learn more about link building. I just wonder a question: anyone here know where to rent SAPE link as cheap as possible?

Sape.ru is where to get them cheap. Just use google translate to update the language to english and you are good to go.

Asap1 posted a guide on how to do this recently.

I usually use a broker because I dislike the hassle but it can be VERY cheap for the amount of link juice.

A side question for you: What type of links or service will you use for diversity?

Before I send SAPE or PBNs to a site I do some foundational link building including:

Edus
Web 2.0s
Press Release
Business Citations / Audio Sharing / Doc Sharing
Parasites if applicable.

After I build those for diversity I go heavy with my real link building platform.

Service? If I am buying a service, even one for 'diversity', I am paying someone to give me link juice - not junk filler links. I can do that myself cheaply and easily so I try not to outsource that part.

As far as anchor diversity is concerned, all my my pages target more than one KW so I do not really have a problem in that area.

I guess those cheap pbns are more a waste of money thats why I would go with SAPE as long as you don't point them directly to your M$. As said before almost no link juice passes.

How many SAPE links you make for one buffer site?

I would go for SAPE, very cheap links and very effective.

These days cheap PBN bulk posts arent delivering as they used to. Domains get deindexed too often and you can't stay on top of it. I would go with SAPE for Churn and Burn if you have a process for picking out the best links. You can throw cheap blog posts around week3-4 to boost things even further before you start tanking.