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Discussion for real SEOs: SAPE vs Cheap PBN Posts -> Buffer Site

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lightningblitz, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. lightningblitz

    lightningblitz Elite Member

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    Here is the deal guys, I wanted a discussion on a topic I am getting back into. I want to either pump SAPE links or cheap PBN posts to a couple buffer sites for a new project. Unlike past projects I can not be as reckless with this domain as it is new.

    In the past I have:

    1. Used SAPE -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
    2. Cheap PBN Posts -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
    3. SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
    4. Cheap PBN Posts -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
    5. Combination of PBN and SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site
    6. Cheap PBN -> URL Shortener -> Money Site
    7. SAPE -> URL Shortener -> Money Site
    8. Cheap PBN -> URL Shortener -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site
    9. SAPE -> URL Shortener -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site

    Now, most of this I use for Churn and Burn, for this project I am mainly looking at SAPE or PBN to a Web 2.0 Buffer then to a Money Site.

    With other methods, while they work, I lose a good amount of link juice OR the money site eventually will get burned.

    I want to keep this as a long term project but want to rank quicker.

    As everyone should know, SAPE is quicker and more powerful, but the recurring payment is something I would like to avoid.

    So my question to those who have done both and are experienced, what is your preference?

    SAPE or cheap PBN posts when pointing at a Web 2.0 buffer?

    NOTE: The rest of the 'how I have done it in the past' is to help those who want to know how I do churn and burn projects. You can stop PMing me.
     
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  2. Peter Ngo

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    My suggestion would be SAPE, a lot of those cheap PBN has pretty much closed to no link juice.

    If you can buy directly from SAPE then i don't think the recurring payment would be the issue, it is cheap as fuck to be honest.

    With 100$ per month you can buy some very decent links, let say you earn at least 500$ per month with that 1 niche then it would be a very good deal isn't it?

    Just my 2cent.
     
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  3. misteryou.

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    what people call buffer sites ? syndicating websites ?
     
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    You are absolutely right about the recurring cost being pretty much nothing, depending how many links I choose to go with. 'Good Links', last time I checked, were all under a dollar on ru.

    Great value to be honest.

    EDIT:

    Buffer site is going to be a Web 2.0 or Domain to handle any potential penalty and act as a shield between money site and spam.
     
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    you just revealed all your money making linkbuilding method, shame on you!

    kidding, but at least I learned these ways and thanks as always
     
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  6. starki

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    Personally I'd go the PBN route, SAPE certainly has strong links, but for a long(er) term project I wouldn't rent links. Renting rules short term, but becomes very expensive long term. Even only $100 a month add up to $2400 in 2 years. In 5 years, it's already $6000. This money certainly gets you much more linkjuice overall when buying PBN posts...even when caculating deindexing, sites/networks going out of business, etc.
     
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    lightningblitz Elite Member

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    This stuff is not exactly a secret or anything, but I notice this type of link building is not spoken of much.


    That you for the input. Added to my mental list of opinions.
     
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    1. Used SAPE -> Web 2.0 Buffer -> Money Site


    is enough.
     
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  9. DarkShade

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    To add to this, thinking in terms of 5 years, $6000 can afford you 60 PBNs. You do have a lot more flexibility and link juice to play with by owning the PBNs though but for sheer lack of maintenance SAPE def. has its merits :p
     
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    3. SAPE -> 301 Domain -> Money Site

    Replace the 301 with a static HTML page on aged niche domain, with 1 OBL, (money site) that auto redirects (5 second delay).

    Content should state that your company has acquired the other. This also gives you great control over anchors.
     
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  11. Peter Ngo

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    ah btw, please keep us posted about the route you choose and how it turns out.

    I would be interested to know how you implement these strategy to a real life projects ;)
     
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    I have used all of the aforementioned. It all depends on the project and projected ROI.

    For cheap PBN links I buy some of the 1000 posts for $100 off of BHW and link them all to about ten buffer sites. Repeat with a different network every two weeks until I get my desired results.

    SAPE is different. I use it for a high ROI but low chance to stick niche. Blast $100 worth of links bought off of sape.ru or if I use a broker, 200 + in links and usually that does the trick.

    For this project I am undecided. but will update what I do.

    EDIT:

    This is a long term project and should last a long time. I am set up using Web 2.0 buffers and either PBN or Sape pointing to them for this type of project.
     
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    Go for sape. Most of the cheap PBNs offer no link juice at all and are mostly junk.
     
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    This is a good thread to read and learn more about link building. I just wonder a question: anyone here know where to rent SAPE link as cheap as possible?
     
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    Sape.ru is where to get them cheap. Just use google translate to update the language to english and you are good to go.

    Asap1 posted a guide on how to do this recently.

    I usually use a broker because I dislike the hassle but it can be VERY cheap for the amount of link juice.
     
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    Before I send SAPE or PBNs to a site I do some foundational link building including:

    Edus
    Web 2.0s
    Press Release
    Business Citations / Audio Sharing / Doc Sharing
    Parasites if applicable.

    After I build those for diversity I go heavy with my real link building platform.

    Service? If I am buying a service, even one for 'diversity', I am paying someone to give me link juice - not junk filler links. I can do that myself cheaply and easily so I try not to outsource that part.

    As far as anchor diversity is concerned, all my my pages target more than one KW so I do not really have a problem in that area.
     
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    I guess those cheap pbns are more a waste of money thats why I would go with SAPE as long as you don't point them directly to your M$. As said before almost no link juice passes.

    How many SAPE links you make for one buffer site?
     
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    I would go for SAPE, very cheap links and very effective.
     
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    These days cheap PBN bulk posts arent delivering as they used to. Domains get deindexed too often and you can't stay on top of it. I would go with SAPE for Churn and Burn if you have a process for picking out the best links. You can throw cheap blog posts around week3-4 to boost things even further before you start tanking.
     
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