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Court Cases and Penalty Alternative

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by teguh123, Mar 5, 2010.

  1. teguh123

    teguh123 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    [url]http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/banned-users/147260-theslugclub-perm-ban-requested.html[/url] .

    Even though BHW is already full with people I think it's a shame that we lost people like that. I would suggest that those banned should have the right to ask for some open trial. The mod here is already far more reasonable than the mods at other places. I am not questioning their judgment. It's just that it helps us mere mortals to understand what broke the rule and what doesn't. For example, someone complained about an autoblog seller. Another jokingly said that they should buy from someone producing autoblog automatically. He thought because no where in the thread he mentioned that he was selling automatically created autoblog, then it's okayThe thing is his sigs said that there were some experimental packages related to that and deep in his BST there was a post where he mentioned that he can automate autoblog creationAlso another person that found out about it whimsically complain that he is pimping his product.

    Sohe got banned for 1 month and he losted his BST and sigs (because that's where the selling is?). The lost of BST is quite a pain though. There are plenty of customers testimonies, and SEO advices there :(

    What I regretted is, he didn'
    t know before hand, and still doesn't know where the "line" is. He didn't say people should buy from himHe didn't mention he was selling. He recommended other sellers instead to make that clear.

    So all this time I feel like I am tiptoeing carefully and risk of suddenly boom got hit by lightning for who knows what. I seriously considering to stop selling anything on BHW or maybe stop posting anything and keep BHW on strictly business mode. I'
    ll let my apprentices do the selling which works quite wellThey seems to have more common sense than me to sense danger.

    The risk is just too big for every post if you don't know the rules. To me, and many others like me, it's tricky to know the rules if it's not detailed or there is no open court cases. Having open trials and court cases, for example, will help us see samples of what'"wrong"Another issue is the penalty.

    Ban and Permanent ban will not deter fraudsters and spammersThey just created a different account and start over againPerm ban will deter a lot of peopleThose with reputationposts a lot, and has significant business will be hurt the most from perm banI don't think that serves BHW interest to deter "the good guy" than the bad guy. It's like jailDoesn't deter thieves burglars and robbers, but deter businessmen and programmers.

    A ban or perm ban for me, for example, means I would lost around $1k-$2k a month. It'
    s no longer a lion share of my biz because I can spend the time to work for my own systems insteadbut would still biteI suggested an optional $50-$100 fine rather than a ban for people that posts a lot and have problemsThat would deter fraudsters spammers and "significant" members equallyThose who think BHW is worthy won't mind paying and BHW can use more money anyway. Otherwise, they'll just think about what they do during their 1 month ban.
     
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  2. teguh123

    teguh123 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Here is another issue ******** is gone. I do not want to end up like him. So I want to know what the issue is so I can avoid it.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/178141-where-sharepro.html

    But we never know. Even discussing about why people are banned is prohibited. So we don't know what actions caused banned. We just thread carefully and boom got hit by lightning.

    Anyway, it's just a suggestion from me. We should be able to discuss why someone is banned so every body knows what counts as violation. Feedback and info will tidy up this forum more than just penalty.
     
  3. pyronaut

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    He requested to be banned? I'm not really sure how the mods judgement came into that one...

    As far as I know, everytime i have seen someone get banned, or someone even get an infraction. It has been written clear in black and white in the rules.

    The thing that gets most people, is that they see someone else doing something against the rules, and assume its OK to do so, even though they know full well its not. Just because someone is breaking the rules and managing to get away with it, its more then likely it just means a mod/admin hasn't seen it yet.

    Its like speeding in a car, sure you can speed. But its only a matter of time before you get caught. And you cant tell a police officer that "I saw other people speeding and assumed i was allowed to do so".
     
  4. GreenDolla

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    that 50-100 bucks really isn't a bad idea bhw could monetize people who break the rules nice one...better than a perm ban
     
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    Yupz.. i agree with you.. sometimes we don't get any explanation why some members get banned or we are even allowed to talk why there are banned.. Especially if you are doing business with that man.. :) Yes, the shitlist is there but, not all people that we're banned was put in the shitlist, you just wake up one day that your friend was banned and you don't know why.. They said that we should PM's some mods but we know that you are very lucky if one mod reply to you...

    We all know that mods do all their best to make the forum intact.. sometimes it is good to know if we get some answers from the mods if we PM's them.. :) maybe i am not very lucky..
     
  6. teguh123

    teguh123 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    As a defendant, I do not mind public trial. I don't even mind a temporary ban. Clarity will help us a lot to obey the rule. Even if the penalty don't change at least we got clarity.

    For example, I just got a warning that I shouldn't ask for JV outside JV section. Fortunately the mod that caught me is nice and just let me go for a warning.

    For example, what count as threadjacking? Does that apply only to others' BST or everything else?

    Anyway, a fine, rather than a ban would do great though.
     
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  7. teguh123

    teguh123 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Do they allow you in with your new ID now that everyone knows you were an ex perm banned member? Looks like they do.
     
  8. chambras1281

    chambras1281 Junior Member

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    public trial? i guess is i wonderful idea this way we will know why certain people really are scammers and we can judge accordingly.

    wonderful idea!
     
  9. nufaman

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    Public trial.. lol

    Yeah, let the 100,000 BHW members chip in and give their 2 cents whenever someone is banned

    Geez, let the mods do their job, they know what they are doing
     
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  10. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Agreed.

    Enough thought goes into it by the mods - people arent just randomly banned and given infractions. The mods already police the entire forum for free - adding in court cases etc over already banned members just increases their workload. There is enough shit going on to worry about 1/2 members who think they were unfairly banned.
     
  11. teguh123

    teguh123 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Actually the mod already do that. There is a section on that. http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/f135-banned-users/

    More details and more people would be great. But the one we have is good enough.
     
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