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Coming to London, NEED ADVICE

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by keeponrocking, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. keeponrocking

    keeponrocking Regular Member

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    Good day, everybody!

    I'm going to London in about a week or so, planning to get a job and live there for quite a while to support myself
    and my IM investments. I would like to hear some advice on what to do and what not, where it's better to live and
    how to find some work fast enough (I mean really fast b/c I'll have little money brought with me). You know, some
    starter advice on main things. Many friends of mine live there and I have read a lot on the Internet, found some good
    info, but it's always better to ask natives, especially here on BHW, right? ;)

    At the moment I'm thinking whether to:

    a) seek some temporary job trough staffing agency;
    b) send CVs directly to certain places;
    c) find some work connected with London 2012 Olympics (there should be a lot of vacancies now, or?).

    And also what rates to expect and would it be enough for me to rent a place to live on my own?

    There're many more things I'm interested in. I'm open to discussion and some general advice, not only these Q's.

    Have an AWESOME day! ;)
     
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  2. SyZygy

    SyZygy Senior Member

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    I visited England for a few times, and each time I was surprised how much things there cost in comparison to Germany and other European countries.

    It's not cheap, but I will leave the further details to people who actually live there..
     
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  3. MrBeastsOnToast

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    Im not from london, but from the uk. But i imagine that the situation is the same as the rest of the UK - there are very few jobs here at this time. Make sure you bring lots of savings, because you could be without a job for a while....

    plus london is EXPENSIVE - like, very stupidly expensive. like Syzygy said ill leave it to the people that actually live in london to give you actual figures. But be prepared to have your wallet raped.

     
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  4. cocococo

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    London is too expensive, too busy, my advice is come up north, rents are cheaper, mildly busy, and it would be nice if you have some kind of qualifications, a profession, experience to back it up.

    And sign up to them agency, but be prepared to probably stay without a job for a year and that's a fact.
     
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  5. steelballs

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    With respect unless you have a 100% temp job at the Olympics

    I advise you do not go to London until after the Olympic Games as prices for everything will be sky high in the coming weeks
     
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    Learn Polish
     
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  7. Synal

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    I live in London. It's expensive and very busy at all times of the day with tourism at an all time high with the Olympics coming soon. However, there are a few vacancies in the London area job wise but not many involved / interlinked with the Olympics.
     
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  8. ThreadKiller

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    Not to piss off the English at this board, but London is a bit of a shithole, as in fact are large parts of the country. Unless you are making a premium by living in London, don't go there. Your rent for living somewhere that is not absolute crap is going to be minimum 1000 pounds a month for a studio. Pleasure, taxicabs and everything else adds up. So unless you are set to make 2500 - 3000 quid net a month, stay away. Living in some crappy studio in the periphery and fighting toothless bums on the way to the tube, then stand around in a crowded carriage on a commute that stretches for aeons, is not a proper way to live.

    On the other hand, there are friendly, somewhat middle class, culturally relevant and safe places to stay in England as well. Brighton might cost you marginally less than London, and is so much more comfortable, at least when the season is right.
     
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  9. Duffers5000

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    Hmm Maybe try harder to not piss off the English ?
     
  10. ThreadKiller

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    Well, no offense intended, but I am all about calling a spade a spade. If you have been living all over Europe, then you go and check out places like Brixton, Luton, Derby, Coventry, Croydon, Kabul... well, you figure it out.

    EDIT: And the nice places are of course very nice. The previously mentioned Brighton for example. And I've heard that John Cleese has moved to Bath cause it is one of the few places that still feels like old England. So that's two options right there.
     
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  11. OldSalt

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    Keeponrocking,

    I've been to London a couple of times and found it more expensive than the US (but that's because I had to change my money from $$$ to pounds). That being said, I have only one bit of advice to offer. You said many of your friends live there - make sure you use them for your parachute. What I mean is that if you are going with very little money and things are obviously expensive with the job market being tight, if you don't line up a place to stay when the money runs out, you could end us as one of those toothless bums that was mentioned by ThreadKiller - and we don't want to happen.

    So... before you put yourself on a plane, contact as many of those friends as possible and arrange to be able to stay with some of them until you get established. Without that, you could end up without a job and no place to live - and once that happens, how are you going to find a job to get yourself OUT of that mess?

    I hope it works out for you - keep us posted. ;)
     
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  12. ThreadKiller

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    And here's another little thing OP. Unless you hold a European, Australian, New Zealand or similar citizenship, you probably won't get a work permit.
     
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  13. oxonbeef

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    If you're not frightened of knocking on doors hit me up when you reach
    I'll give you a job.
    I live in Clapham and can see some of the most iconic buildings in the world from
    my upstairs window.
    5 minutes walk to Brixton the most fantastic, multicultural, vibrant towns in the world.
    And I have traveled.
     
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  14. jimbodmit

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    Yes, it's really expensive here.

    You won't be able to live on your own mate. I have a 1 bedroom flat. Rent costs me £950 a month. Add to that the council tax, about £100. Add my gas, electric, and water bills, internet, mobile phone.... we've reached about £1200 and I haven't even bought any food yet. You're going to need to travel and with petrol costing £1.40 a liter a car is probably out of the question but public transport isn't really that cheap either. Not sure if you smoke or drink too but if you do then it's probably important for you to know that a pint will cost you about £4 and a 20-deck will cost about £7.

    If you're going to find a temporary job or something like working in a supermarket then expect to be earning about £7 an hour, before tax (works out to like £5.50 after tax). Do the maths, it won't be enough. I'm not sure what your skills are and what kind of a job you're able to get, but I walked past a job agency yesterday and saw they had a web developer role paying £20K a year. Well that would only clear about £1250 a month after tax.

    Now granted I live in a ok part of London so I'm sure you can find lower rent than what I'm paying. London is a HUGE city and there are so many different parts, it's difficult to just give general advice about which area is best for you. Maybe in a very cheap area you can find an affordable studio flat (i.e. bedroom/living room/kitchen are all one room, plus a separate bathroom) but I really doubt it.
    Your most realistic option is to go for a house share. That way you can be paying like £300 a month or something and all the bills are split between you and your house mates.

    Bottom line, it's really expensive here and people with regular jobs are suffering and having to get 2nd jobs. Sorry if it sounds harsh but unless you're coming here with the skills/experience required for a £25K+ job you need to stop dreaming and prepare for a tough time! I'll be honest mate, when you're talking about getting temp jobs then I'm guessing you're starting out in IM maybe making $10 a day. It makes no sense to move to a really expensive city where $1 will just about cover the price of a bar of chocolate. Then again don't let me ruin your dreams, London is an awesome city and if you think you can make it with your IM money head on over!


    EDIT: Just saw oxonbeef's post. Take him up on his job offer and be willing to learn from him and you've got a fighting chance to make it :)
     
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  15. meathead1234

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    a) possible, but you'd have to be prepared to be constantly harassing them to find you something and the pay will be crap
    b) 1000s of others are also doing this
    c) highly unlikely. Most of the voluntary spots were taken ages ago. Forget about paid work.

    Unless you're earning £18k+ a year, you're going to really struggle, especially living on your own. I share with some friends who all have decent jobs. One is on £24k and that's barely enough to pay rent, bills and food, let alone anything else.

    So yeah, if I were you, avoid London unless you can stay on a friend's sofa for a few months. Forget trying to rent a place on your own, look for flatshares or try spareroom.co.uk or Gumtree.
     
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    *Googling Clapham and packing my bags - London here I come!* lol

    Great of you to offer that to him OB... ;)
     
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    It's an expensive place and jobs are rare to come by. I used to live there a year ago and rent came up to £1250 a month. I'd say if you come then try and stay at a mates while you work things out. But London is a beautiful place IMO.
     
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    London here I come knock knock ! :)
     
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  19. oxonbeef

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    You're welcome anytime mate.
    I live not far from Meathead1234 he knows the score about the price of things round here.
    A two bedroom flat next door to me is up for rent at £400 a week.
    I have also noticed an increase in the amount of foreign nation homeless and beggars.
    All the Olympic jobs have already been allocated.
    I don't know what country the Op comes from but has he considered what immigration is going
    to ask him? You just can't come here and work, we have enough unemployed of our own.
     
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  20. browsing_hosts

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    Just curious, how do you plan on even getting a work permit in the UK?, unless you already got your visa etc