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Cloaking on Facebook: Is cloaking a SCAM?

Discussion in 'Cloaking and Content Generators' started by AntonTretyakov, Jul 17, 2016.

  1. AntonTretyakov

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    What's the point of cloaking on Facebook?

    If users report your ads, you are banned - GAME OVER!

    How cloaking helps the situation? If user reports ads, fb doesn't even look at the landing page!

    Few days back, I saw in my cloaker log that fb moderator was sent to the safe page after my ad got reported by some users - reviewer went to the safe page but still they banned my ad account.

    What's the point of cloaking?

    Is cloaking a scam? What are your thoughts?
     
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    Yes, that's basic cloaking.

    But even after cloaking on fb there is still risk of BAN.

    So why should we cloak fb? That's the question. It's Facebook specific.

    I am wondering if this is a scam created by cloaker owners.

    To make their service seem very exclusive, private and then charge people lots of $$$ for nothing.

    I don't have much knowledge on this specific topic.

    Looking for pros to dive into my thread and offer some valuable insights!
     
  4. MasterAffiliateX

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    Same shitty guy, different username:
    Ralph Urner
    Xtreme Ads
    AntonTretyakov (wtf)

    Same behavior, same messages pattern, he (they) keep trying to revive the cloaking section by providing unnecessary info about it, asking stupid questions about cloaking, then, opening a thread about making money from cloaking acting as cloaking gurus. Their main point is to get as many PMs as possible from members here so they can sell them their services (cloaking, tech support and other related shit).

    Mods, please do something
     
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    I don't get why this guy Ralph wants to discuss about Cloaking everytime?

    Poor guy can't even hide lol
     
  6. AntonTretyakov

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    WTF at my username... how rude.

    No I don't use PMs to promote anything, mods please disable my PM box if some users have objection.

    I do not use it or plan to use it in the future.
     
  7. affiliatemoney

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    Yeah, he got butt hurt about me calling out his fake screenshots and advice that made no sense.. started commenting on literally every post I made.. It takes psychological issues to get so worked up that you spend hours following someone around online...

    Anyway.. I looked into his post history which led me to the same conclusion as you.. Not sure about AntonTretyakov yet but he's dominating the subforum just like Xtreme Ads... So I really wouldn't be surprised

    They seem to have one thing in common.... being called out for being FraudBuster. Pretty freakin' obvious the dude is behind it :mad: It's funny because I've used his product in the past but the guy is obviously bat shit crazy!
     
  8. AntonTretyakov

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    Pretty crazy, I must say!

    I've investigated all of them in detail.

    Here are my findings:

    1. The actor pumps this specific product by posting multiple times to thread and recommending same product over and over and sometimes some other product in the combination too which is too obvious.

    No sane product owner would do it, especially when the product already got enough coverage on the BHW.

    Few more posts would do no good but repeated praises from same profile would badly affect the product.

    2. The actor posts multiple threads about cloaking/techsupport and reveals supposedly the secrets of cloaking world.

    3. The actor establishes himself as a cloaking guru.

    4. Then haters come up from nowhere. Haters also have fresh new profiles. It's not like they established members are hating on this newly incarnated guru.
    Haters are also incarnated by this team who is behind all of this. For example, hater tmoore belongs to the same team.
    And then they have clash and they start pissing match. Calling out the product name etc... to defame them. SOLID competitor bantering job.
    I think they also got DDoSed. It seems someone hates them a lot that these guys also keep coming up with fake profiles again and again after they are banned just to defame their product/service.

    5. Finally, everything is calm and the whole process is repeated again!

    I think this is a competitor's job.

    @affiliatemoney: I disagree with you that it's the product owner himself since I doubt they need any more coverage. It's bad for them, I suspect anyone gets sales through spamming from same profile multiple times

    While reading those threads. I figured out your posting style is similar to the banned user, @tmoore: http://www.blackhatworld.com/members/tmoore.982362/ , I hope you've nothing to do with him.

    One more thing is that accusing someone without any solid evidence is against the rules of BHW. You are pretty much blasting him and his product by posting such things. You should consider reading BHW rules.

    @MasterAffiliateX, You've posted on all threads of mine. I've reported you for stalking and following me. This is the same behaviour which affiliatemoney talks about.

    Your posting style is similar to this user, http://www.blackhatworld.com/members/wehrmacht.702423/ @Wehrmacht

    @BassTrackerBoats,
    Mods should look into these accounts.
    I think they are operated by the same spam group.

    Same behavior, same messages pattern.

    Mods are welcome to investigate me, I've nothing to do with those users.
     
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  9. anurag007

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    I am not sure if you even care about the answers but here it is from me : Cloaking always doesnt work like you think it does.People are offering value to the customers.Some campaigns are not approved in FB even if you offer them value but cloaking solves this problem and helps them this way.And as per the people reporting , even a ad of cute puppies with no links in them will get banned if enough users report it.This is my opinion on it and i am no pro.

    PS : It also helps in keeping the game hack niches accounts alive for a bit more time ;)
     
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  10. affiliatemoney

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    No.. I didn't accuse you of being Xtreme Ads or Ralph Urner.. I only pointed out that these users were called out by many members for being FraudBuster and that all evidence points to the same...

    I said I wouldn't be surprised if you're the same guy but that's really not an accusation... That's more like a "theory" ;)

    But from this post I think what @MasterAffiliateX said "might" be true... No one uses the word "haters" except Xtreme Ads/Ralph Urner/FraudBuster... And now your post is full of it too!!

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/search/1075674/?q=haters&o=relevance

    16 out of the 19 posts on BHW with the word "haters"..... EVER... in over 10 years (!!!).... since 2006.... were from Xtreme Ads. 1 of the posts made by others was "blackhaters" (typo) so not counting that..

    I call it like it is.. Nothing personal... You tell me what it looks like? :p
     
  11. MasterAffiliateX

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    Busted!
    Bitch please, AntonTretyakov ( aka Xtreme Ads aka Ralph Urner aka FraudBuster ) why dont you f*uck off, and take your shitty, exhausting posts with you. It cannot be more obvious than this!

    Fellow BHW users, watch out from this guy, same user, who got banned many times here trying to promote this FraudBuster cloaker over and over, with new profiles, and unnecessary posts. If you review the posts of:

    Ralph Urner, Xtreme Ads, AntonTretyakov they all connect to one poor Goal = Promoting a cloaker named FraudBuster by over reviewing / posting here at the Cloaking section.

    No need to be a brainer to understand it's the same guy, same writing style and same cloaking agenda.
     
  12. AntonTretyakov

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    I don't know why you include "FraudBuster", there is no such user of BHW.

    First, It's fine very common word.

    As I said I read through all of those discussions.

    So I might have picked the lingo. Happens. Google shows 5,54,00,000 results for this particular search term.

    Also, I found the Ralph was promoting multiple cloakers proof:
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    Second, I think it's easy to hide behind an alias and accuse product owners when you might have been hired by competitors to make these dump posts on BHW. Just saying.

    If you've problem with any specific product, open shitlist and post proofs of how you were scammed or how the product is ripoff instead of posting false accusations.

    I am not accusing you of anything. I've not posted any thread for promoting any product.

    I am just bringing light to the topic that it might be a competitor's job to bring these products down: FraudBuster, NoIpFraud.

    So real culprit has motives which are not easily visible to.

    Clearly, it's working that's why they come up with fake profiles again and again!

    Just trying to bring a new perspective to light.

    Who hires people to spam their product?

    On the side note, it seems you are related to @tmoore aka skype user ******
    Saber Aria
    to be specific. He got banned for his aggressive behavior since he was posting on all threads of @Xtreme Ads. I hope you are not related, exactly what you said:

    I agree with you on this, I think all these guys have serious psychological issues and beef with the product owners.

    They are trying to bring down these cloakers for some ulterior motives.

    Speculations:

    1. They don't want others to be cloaking since they might be making tons of money with cloaking.

    2. They have serious beef with the product owners and they pump and dump the product in such manner not to appear suspicious.

    3. They've some other motive which is not visible to us.



    Doesn't make any sense.

    FraudBuster already have enough coverage, http://www.blackhatworld.com/search/1080589/?q=fraudbuster&o=relevance

    There are multiple members mentioning it.

    Multiple spam posts from same member are damaging to their reputation.

    That's why I feel it's a competitor job :)

    Posts made by Ralph and Xtreme Ads are too obvious which makes me believe that they want us to think in the particular way so that we are never able to come to the real conclusion.
     
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  13. affiliatemoney

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    No man... I just showed you it's not a common word.. in 10 years of BHW's history, it has almost always been used by just Xtreme Ads and now you.....

    Uhhh, aren't most threads here about spamming Instagram and websites for backlinks?? A lot of people spam their own products.... few as poorly as FraudBuster :D

    Now for WHY he would do this... it was answered by another user:
    If that's clear now we will move to your next point....

    No.... your theory doesn't make sense... I think you're caught and now trying to stir confusion to lessen the blow

    P.S. don't drag NoIpFraud into this.... never, ever accused of spamming

    P.P.S. I really don't get why you're getting so worked about this if you aren't FraudBuster... truthfully I don't care if you are.... but it's hilarious how obvious you are... and how defensive you're getting... :D
     
  14. AntonTretyakov

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    Your citation (for why he is doing it?) isn't valid since the member is already banned.
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    If you are not a competitor it's just as hilarious how aggressive you are being.

    Your posting style is same as @tmoore, aka Saber Aria who also hacked a private forum recently and used to post hate messages against FraudBuster on multiple Skype groups.

    What stops a competitor from hiring a bunch of lunatics to spam a competitor's product then get their other lunatics to piss over it? Pump-dump a competitor and call it a day? Negative SEO.

    Makes sense?

    I hope you know about negative SEO. It works the same way.

    I am being defensive for the same reason for which you are being aggressive.

    It's fine as long as you post false accusations against someone, I'll be always there to counter your arguments, it doesn't matter which product it is.

    You don't have much to loose Saber. You own no product, so I think your sole purpose is only to defame "FraudBuster" by creating fake profiles on this forum. It's my theory.

    Just move on, don't make more fun of yourself.
     
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    Negative SEO is when someone is bashing a competing prodcut... only someone spamming their own product does it the FraudBuster way where they're promoting it!!

    What do I have to be aggressive about? every time you quote my posts because YOU are so aggressive... I get an alert... so duh... I look at it and respond..

    like I said IDGAF if you're fraudbuster... but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck...
     
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    I think you are competitor since you behave in the same way.

    In theory, I can hire people like you to spam competitor's product then call them out from other fake profiles for spamming.
    This damages a product's reputation but the spammers don't lose much. It works wonder like Negative SEO. I hope my point is clear.

    My point is simple that "FraudBuster" has enough coverage, why they need to spam? It's a competitor job to pump and dump them.

    Ralph or Xtreme Ads have not scammed anyone but they've only pumped and dumped "FraudBuster".

    Tmoore, affiliatemoney, MasterAffiliateX followed the suite and kept the fight on over and over.

    You are still here. I wonder what product owner did to you that you've so much beef for them.

    Either way buddy, it's fine. Let's move on.

    There is not much for you to gain or lose from this discussion.

    But keep in mind, if you accuse someone on this forum. I'll be there to defend them against false accusations.
     
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    No... it's not clear. NO ONE POSITIVELY spams their competitor for NEGATIVE SEO... can you imagine trying to sell your boss on that? let me try OK? here's the pitch.... ready??

    "BOSS... let's pay someone to make fake profiles and talk good about our competitor's product... BUT we'll have to make random posts to not make it look too obvious... BUT we want other users to then come up to the conclusion that its our compteitors product.... BINGO... negative SEO FTFW!!"

    If it sounds idiotic... it explains what you are. as far as me being aggressive, STOP quoting me if you don't want me to respond.. it comes as an alert so obviously I'll read your stupidity and forced to respond to it

    FWIW i've used your fraudbuster product before... obviously considering how i called you out for being fraudbuster my opinion doesn't hold two shits.. which is why I haven't responded in the other thread asking to compare justcloakit to fraudbuster.. even though I've used them both before and have a preference :p
     
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    Not sure you why you are trying to complicate it but here it is again:

    1. Get fake people with few profiles to pump a product. Write praises of how a product benefits them.

    2. Do it often from 1-2 profiles and write multiple spam posts in the same way. Make it look too obvious that they are spamming.

    3. Call them out from other 2-3 newly create a fake profile.

    4. Keep calling them out and posting negative messages.

    You can see how easy it is. Negative SEO works in a similar way, you make bad links for people to penalise them. It's a similar technique.


    The method is not bad.

    But the spammers have nothing to lose.

    Product owners and other people associated with the product lose.

    It's fine everyone can have a different preference. You can use whichever product you like but don't accuse others.

    That said, if you've a problem with a product write open a shitlist and post proof of how your were scammed or ripoff.

    You should stop, it's too obvious you hacked into their private forum now you are defaming their product.

    You don't have any product but you are actively engaged in bringing them down from time to time.

    This is my theory, it's different than what you've.
     
  19. affiliatemoney

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    Hahaaha.,.. everyone should learn from you on how to try turning things around once caught. even someone with the biggest tinfoil hat wouldn't believe the above "theory"..... you know no one believes you right? or do you REALLY want me to waste my time gathering quotes from respected members calling you out?

    seriously... STOP quoting my posts so your stupidity isn't brought to my attention.. once you bring it to my attention.. I have no option but to respond!!
     
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    It's not called turning things around. It's responding to a "theory" with another "theory" .

    Why don't you record a video message and say this thing with your face attached to it? why do you always hide behind an alias while accusing others?

    So that we can see who is the person talking shit about a particular product. We'll believe you, but for now, you are only spamming.

    Alright, it's fine that spammers have a need to hide. Why do you need to hide my friend?

    It's so suspicious that the timing of you joining this forum coincides with the time when tmoore aka Saber Aria was banned which again surprisingly coincides with time time when Saber A. hacked the private marketing forum.