Clickfunnels VS Voluum

Hey, I hope everyone and their families are safe and well,

I did my due diligence and hit a brick wall so please bare with me.

So for the last 3 months, I have been studying affiliate marketing relentlessly 18 hours a day (No Exaggeration) due to COVID leaving me unemployed with a family to provide for and bills piling. I have been familiar with the industry but until now haven't had the time to invest all in and I hate doing things half-assed. I have realized the industry changes so much that the web is clearly oversaturated with misinformation and I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

From my understanding to be successful, you needed to have a tracking software (Voluum), a VPS (Liquidweb), and spy software (Adplexity) for example.

The problem is now I see everything online pointing to services like Clickfunnels.

I have been following Charles NGO's guide and found it helpful but it was created back in 2017. Is the process still the same and better to use older methods or is Clickfunnels an all in one solution and I wouldn't need any other software besides an email autoresponder?

The steps as I understand them are (I know there's more to this obviously)

1. Pick a niche
2. Choose an affiliate network
3. Choose a traffic source
4. research campaign with Adplexity
5. create landing pages and set up tracking with Voluum
6. Run campaigns and A/B testing and continue to optimize.

So in summary, this is where I am at and I am wondering if the process has changed, and should I be adding in squeeze pages to build an email list, etc? Or should I just do Clickfunnels?

I would be beyond grateful for the guidance as I can't afford mentorship which I am aware of is the golden element.

bemob free for tracker until you expand, Carrd for creating landing pages or iglooapp. The hosts try this forum. I am also in same boat as I am looking myself and learning. For spy tools adplexity too expensive. Check out spypush for mobile. There are others.

Like I said in same boat as you and studying this stuff. I am on same path...identical. So feel free to hit me up if you want to discuss because I get confused also.

what i am watching right now from video in pic above.

baseballfan1 said:

bemob free for tracker until you expand, Carrd for creating landing pages or iglooapp. The hosts try this forum. I am also in same boat as I am looking myself and learning. For spy tools adplexity too expensive. Check out spypush for mobile. There are others.

Like I said in same boat as you and studying this stuff. I am on same path...identical. So feel free to hit me up if you want to discuss because I get confused also.

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I deffinitly appreciate the help

Yea I know man shit can drive you into insanity, that's how you know there's something actually to it.

I know from being a business owner nothing worth having comes easy and people are wise to guard their market from over saturation. I was an audio/video production engineer so its a learning curve.

Are you going to use squeeze pages and build email into your funnel?

Apparently that's the hot thing to create more value for yourself in the long game with multiple upsells instead of one offer and a list to market to in the future after building trust and authority offering value to people.

I will definitely hit you up

HustleHat said:

I deffinitly appreciate the help

Yea I know man shit can drive you into insanity, that's how you know there's something actually to it.

I know from being a business owner nothing worth having comes easy and people are wise to guard their market from over saturation. I was an audio/video production engineer so its a learning curve.

Are you going to use squeeze pages and build email into your funnel?

Apparently that's the hot thing to create more value for yourself in the long game with multiple upsells instead of one offer and a list to market to in the future after building trust and authority offering value to people.

I will definitely hit you up

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Honestly I am just not sure what I am doing. I have to learn to set all this stuff up so I can focus on actual technique. And like you, I know nothing comes easy and it takes money to make money. But at the sametime with prior experience as a business owner also, i always research what tools i need now and what can wait. And when I can use something for low cost which allows me to have more money for traffic, thats a win to me. yeah hit me up when ever you like, we will figure it out.

baseballfan1 said:

Honestly I am just not sure what I am doing. I have to learn to set all this stuff up so I can focus on actual technique. And like you, I know nothing comes easy and it takes money to make money. But at the sametime with prior experience as a business owner also, i always research what tools i need now and what can wait. And when I can use something for low cost which allows me to have more money for traffic, thats a win to me. yeah hit me up when ever you like, we will figure it out.

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Sounds good.

Hopefully some people will respond for us also lol.

Personally i like to use Voluum myself as it is the easiest to set up and has the most affiliate networks and traffic sources with integrations already. Me personally, i would go with Voluum all day just because i like it a lot, very easy to set up and has lots of Tools (Like a Bot Tester) that other Trackers don't have.

Just one fair warning here, it seems like (judging by your first post) that you are attempting to do media buying, where you buy traffic from a network and redirect them to a offer. It might sound easy in the beginning but i just give you a headsup just so you know what you are getting yourself into. It's not that easy as it sounds. You will most likely have to spend atleast 500 to 2000$ just to get information on which offers work and which don't. And that is just for the offers, if you are running Popunders, you will also need a good CDN (Amazon is very good for this) and you have to pay by clicks on that.

So don't underestimate your costs, Media Buying can become very very very expensive, if you are not prepared for it.

HustleHat said:

I would be beyond grateful for the guidance as I can't afford mentorship which I am aware of is the golden element.

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Actually it's not - Mentors won't give you any winning campaigns or offers, which is exactly what you need in order to make money in this business. It's just a lot of trial and error.

Heiko said:

Personally i like to use Voluum myself as it is the easiest to set up and has the most affiliate networks and traffic sources with integrations already. Me personally, i would go with Voluum all day just because i like it a lot, very easy to set up and has lots of Tools (Like a Bot Tester) that other Trackers don't have.

Just one fair warning here, it seems like (judging by your first post) that you are attempting to do media buying, where you buy traffic from a network and redirect them to a offer. It might sound easy in the beginning but i just give you a headsup just so you know what you are getting yourself into. It's not that easy as it sounds. You will most likely have to spend atleast 500 to 2000$ just to get information on which offers work and which don't. And that is just for the offers, if you are running Popunders, you will also need a good CDN (Amazon is very good for this) and you have to pay by clicks on that.

So don't underestimate your costs, Media Buying can become very very very expensive, if you are not prepared for it.


Actually it's not - Mentors won't give you any winning campaigns or offers, which is exactly what you need in order to make money in this business. It's just a lot of trial and error.

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Extremely helpful, I definitely appreciate the help. I'm hoping to start with a budget around $500 a month and want to give media buying a try, perhaps FB or Pinterest etc. I'm pretty good with analytics having a background in it.

It's the process that I get caught up in and a lot of people are claiming that mentorship is apparently key because people have the experience to know what converts and what doesn't on top of knowing the ins and outs so you can cut the learning curve in half at least.

Everyone wants a step by step so I imagine thats why people are capitalizing so much on misinformation and overpriced courses.

It just sucks because from my understanding, in order to really make any real money you need the tools professionals use and that shit is unattainable for most people.

I have to do more research on what CDN is about but I am grateful.

Any help and advice is always a blessing.

HustleHat said:

Extremely helpful, I definitely appreciate the help. I'm hoping to start with a budget around $500 a month and want to give media buying a try, perhaps FB or Pinterest etc. I'm pretty good with analytics having a background in it.

It's the process that I get caught up in and a lot of people are claiming that mentorship is apparently key because people have the experience to know what converts and what doesn't on top of knowing the ins and outs so you can cut the learning curve in half at least.

Everyone wants a step by step so I imagine thats why people are capitalizing so much on misinformation and overpriced courses.

It just sucks because from my understanding, in order to really make any real money you need the tools professionals use and that shit is unattainable for most people.

I have to do more research on what CDN is about but I am grateful.

Any help and advice is always a blessing.

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Well, basically its up to you, i know there are coaches that sort of do this kind of stuff, but you'll end up with less money to spend on Ads if you are going with 500$ a month - And thats what you will need in order to gather data so you can optimize properly.

I can tell you right now that every niche can convert, and its rather a point of trying out lots of different things. I am not talking about trying one offer a day - I am talking about 10 to 20 offers a day on rotation with landers and direct linking and seeing what works. The point i am trying to make here is that a mentorship can help you, but it won't help you in the long run - A lot of it (especially when it comes to determining if an offer works or not) has to do with sort of a gut instinct and a little bit of experience. Thats why a mentor can help you in the beginning but definitely not when it comes to testing offers and landers. I don't think anyone would give away their secret sauce (meaning their funnel) just for some peanuts.

They might help you with the initial setup and tell you how to test landers and offers properly, but they will never ever give you any recommendations on what to test. And even if they do - That is definitely no guarantee that it will work for you. Because most of the campaigns you will do, will be in the negative in the beginning anyways. Thats why its so cruicial to make your own experience in this game, because the outcome can be very different and there is no "1 Step Solution" to optimize a campaign from red to green. For some campaigns it might be better to use a whitelist, for some campaigns it might be better to cut out Lander #XYZ and so on. It all has to do with experience and a mentor cannot simply give you that.

HustleHat said:

Everyone wants a step by step so I imagine thats why people are capitalizing so much on misinformation and overpriced courses.

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I wouldn't say everyone, i would say people that are lazy and are looking for the "easy button" - Well, there is no easy button in Media Buying, i can tell you that right now.

HustleHat said:

It just sucks because from my understanding, in order to really make any real money you need the tools professionals use and that shit is unattainable for most people.

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That's what it takes to become media buyer - That's why i also recommended the budget of 500-2000$ per month on testing - Because testing offers ain't cheap.

HustleHat said:

Hey, I hope everyone and their families are safe and well,

I did my due diligence and hit a brick wall so please bare with me.

So for the last 3 months, I have been studying affiliate marketing relentlessly 18 hours a day (No Exaggeration) due to COVID leaving me unemployed with a family to provide for and bills piling. I have been familiar with the industry but until now haven't had the time to invest all in and I hate doing things half-assed. I have realized the industry changes so much that the web is clearly oversaturated with misinformation and I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

From my understanding to be successful, you needed to have a tracking software (Voluum), a VPS (Liquidweb), and spy software (Adplexity) for example.

The problem is now I see everything online pointing to services like Clickfunnels.

I have been following Charles NGO's guide and found it helpful but it was created back in 2017. Is the process still the same and better to use older methods or is Clickfunnels an all in one solution and I wouldn't need any other software besides an email autoresponder?

The steps as I understand them are (I know there's more to this obviously)

1. Pick a niche
2. Choose an affiliate network
3. Choose a traffic source
4. research campaign with Adplexity
5. create landing pages and set up tracking with Voluum
6. Run campaigns and A/B testing and continue to optimize.

So in summary, this is where I am at and I am wondering if the process has changed, and should I be adding in squeeze pages to build an email list, etc? Or should I just do Clickfunnels?

I would be beyond grateful for the guidance as I can't afford mentorship which I am aware of is the golden element.

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Binom over volumm and builderall over clickfunnels. Also apply to every affiliate u can.

Heiko said:

Well, basically its up to you, i know there are coaches that sort of do this kind of stuff, but you'll end up with less money to spend on Ads if you are going with 500$ a month - And thats what you will need in order to gather data so you can optimize properly.

I can tell you right now that every niche can convert, and its rather a point of trying out lots of different things. I am not talking about trying one offer a day - I am talking about 10 to 20 offers a day on rotation with landers and direct linking and seeing what works. The point i am trying to make here is that a mentorship can help you, but it won't help you in the long run - A lot of it (especially when it comes to determining if an offer works or not) has to do with sort of a gut instinct and a little bit of experience. Thats why a mentor can help you in the beginning but definitely not when it comes to testing offers and landers. I don't think anyone would give away their secret sauce (meaning their funnel) just for some peanuts.

They might help you with the initial setup and tell you how to test landers and offers properly, but they will never ever give you any recommendations on what to test. And even if they do - That is definitely no guarantee that it will work for you. Because most of the campaigns you will do, will be in the negative in the beginning anyways. Thats why its so cruicial to make your own experience in this game, because the outcome can be very different and there is no "1 Step Solution" to optimize a campaign from red to green. For some campaigns it might be better to use a whitelist, for some campaigns it might be better to cut out Lander #XYZ and so on. It all has to do with experience and a mentor cannot simply give you that.


I wouldn't say everyone, i would say people that are lazy and are looking for the "easy button" - Well, there is no easy button in Media Buying, i can tell you that right now.


That's what it takes to become media buyer - That's why i also recommended the budget of 500-2000$ per month on testing - Because testing offers ain't cheap.

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Man, the value so far is awesome and helps tremendously.

If I may ask,

If I use voluums for tracking, do you think I should use my bluehost account to build landing pages or is there a cheaper/better alternative since people say a VPS is better because of potential uptime issues?

I'm not trying to cut corners so much as be as cost effective as possible until I can get a revenue stream in.

Any tools you recommend?

Also how much do you recomend to spend on running 1 test campaign and then how many A/B variations optimally and for how long? I was going to use FB to practice and can't find any good starting advice on how to work a budget.

I actually agree with you %100. I'm honestly in it for the opportunity because I know what true hardwork means and I'm happy there's no real get rich scheme like people try to portray because it allows real people who work hard a chance to succeed.

Ezy501 said:

Binom over volumm and builderall over clickfunnels. Also apply to every affiliate u can.

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The help is beyond appreciated.

Im really looking forward to putting all the good advice to use and sharing hopefully a good case study for everyone in the end.

Any advice is awesome.

HustleHat said:

Man, the value so far is awesome and helps tremendously.

If I may ask,

If I use voluums for tracking, do you think I should use my bluehost account to build landing pages or is there a cheaper/better alternative since people say a VPS is better because if potential uptime issues?

I'm not trying to cut corners so much as be as cost effective as possible until I can get a revenue stream in.

Any tools you recommend?

Also how much do you recomend to spend on running 1 test campaign and then how many A/B variations optimally and for how long? I was going to use FB to practice and can't find any good starting advice on how to work a budget.

I actually agree with you %100. I'm honestly in it for the opportunity because I know what true hardwork means and I'm happy there's no real get rich scheme like people try to portray because it allows real people who work hard a chance to succeed.

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You mean BlueHost as hosting? It depends on the traffic you are running - If you are going to promote via Popunders, the biggest thing that matters is speed - And in that effect Bluehost could possibly be one of the worst hosts to use. But you said you are using FB, so i guess a normal hoster will do - Just make sure that you have a good website that loads fast. This can make or break your campaign, so definitely take speed of a website into consideration and always monitor how long your visitors will stay on the page - If they leave in a matter of seconds, your website probably loads too slow and needs improvement.

Tools, i don't know - I am not sure what vertical you want to run, Sweepstakes, Anti Virus, Nutra, Casino - What are you going to run?

I would pick 3 offers and 4 or 5 different landers in order to get some good data - I suggest a budget of "Payout x 20" - Meaning that if you have an offer with a Payout of 1.50$, your budget should be 30$ - Maybe even more considering you have 3 offers and 4-5 different landers in your funnel.


##Edit : One other things because the guy above me mentioned to sign up to several affiliate networks - That can be good because you have a variety of offers to choose from but you also have to note that every affiliate network has a payment treshold, which means they only pay out once you reach a certain amount of money in your account. This can get very expensive if you decide to work with lots of networks because then you could run the risk of having money in every affiliate network but not being able to pay it out because you are spreading yourself to thin. I'd recommend 3 good affiliate networks in the beginning.

Heiko said:

You mean BlueHost as hosting? It depends on the traffic you are running - If you are going to promote via Popunders, the biggest thing that matters is speed - And in that effect Bluehost could possibly be one of the worst hosts to use. But you said you are using FB, so i guess a normal hoster will do - Just make sure that you have a good website that loads fast. This can make or break your campaign, so definitely take speed of a website into consideration and always monitor how long your visitors will stay on the page - If they leave in a matter of seconds, your website probably loads too slow and needs improvement.

Tools, i don't know - I am not sure what vertical you want to run, Sweepstakes, Anti Virus, Nutra, Casino - What are you going to run?

I would pick 3 offers and 4 or 5 different landers in order to get some good data - I suggest a budget of "Payout x 20" - Meaning that if you have an offer with a Payout of 1.50$, your budget should be 30$ - Maybe even more considering you have 3 offers and 4-5 different landers in your funnel.


##Edit : One other things because the guy above me mentioned to sign up to several affiliate networks - That can be good because you have a variety of offers to choose from but you also have to note that every affiliate network has a payment treshold, which means they only pay out once you reach a certain amount of money in your account. This can get very expensive if you decide to work with lots of networks because then you could run the risk of having money in every affiliate network but not being able to pay it out because you are spreading yourself to thin. I'd recommend 3 good affiliate networks in the beginning.

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Okay It's becoming a lot clearer thanks to your explanations.

Its been hard because this is the first time I have reached out to anyone because I wanted to study relentlessly first so Im not "That Annoying Guy" every forum has.

Here's my thought process and action plan.

Ill use 3 affiliate networks.

Advidi, Maxbounty, clickbank (Unless better ideas) preferably one that offers a manager to perhaps get some inside scoops.

Next pick 3 offers. After probably to much research I was thinking Travel, automotive, and the 3rd being either healthcare, insurance or retail.

Next create 3 landing pages/ads for each.

The first one will act as a control, then the 2 others test variations.

Maybe a different pic, header, description etc.

Next launch the ad on face book.

**Still looking for guidance on how much to spend and how long to run each ad.

I believe the min cost is $1 to 5 a day or something like that. I will confirm.

Next a test run.

I need to overcome knowing how to determine properly when to pull out, or put all the eggs into one converting campaign after running tests and optimizing. (This part still nervous obviously due to being the most important)

In summary,

1. Get Aff Networks

2. Offers

3. FB ad/s

4. FB ad/s leads to Squeeze page (AKA Email Optin) where I can get their email for future verticals.

5. Email Optin for future marketing which then leads to a landing page.

6. They click call to action link which leads them to the promise land.

7. Conversion.

Then I guess repeat, but I am most unsure in how to utilize my tight budget and maximize results until I can dump more.

I know I also have to study the demographics which FB gives parameters for and study how they interact with different stages of the funnel for optimization.

HustleHat said:

Advidi, Maxbounty, clickbank (Unless better ideas) preferably one that offers a manager to perhaps get some inside scoops.

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Replace MaxBounty with Clickdealer - They have way better offers in my opinion.

HustleHat said:

Next pick 3 offers. After probably to much research I was thinking Travel, automotive, and the 3rd being either healthcare, insurance or retail.

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All really high payout niches - Most of them will have a PPS Model and not a SOI/DOI Model which means you have to pay lots of money for testing - If i take healthcare for example, most of them will have a PPS Payout for about 20$ - Which means 20$ x 20 = 400$ just for testing - Some probably would even recommend more budget as you are using different landers and offers.

HustleHat said:

Next create 3 landing pages/ads for each.

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You can use Adplexity to rip some landers and just edit them on your own - Beware of sneaky redirects tho. Always make sure to go through the HTML, CSS and Javascript code to ensure that its a clean one without hidden redirects.

HustleHat said:

Next launch the ad on face book.

**Still looking for guidance on how much to spend and how long to run them for each ad.

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Like i said, if you wanna play by the book, then you need to get atleast payout x 20 or atleast payout x 10 to have some significant data.

Heiko said:

Replace MaxBounty with Clickdealer - They have way better offers in my opinion.

All really high payout niches - Most of them will have a PPS Model and not a SOI/DOI Model which means you have to pay lots of money for testing - If i take healthcare for example, most of them will have a PPS Payout for about 20$ - Which means 20$ x 20 = 400$ just for testing - Some probably would even recommend more budget as you are using different landers and offers.

You can use Adplexity to rip some landers and just edit them on your own - Beware of sneaky redirects tho. Always make sure to go through the HTML, CSS and Javascript code to ensure that its a clean one without hidden redirects.

Like i said, if you wanna play by the book, then you need to get atleast payout x 20 or atleast payout x 10 to have some significant data.

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I'm gonna do some more research when it comes to niche payout types and what is recommended to start with.

Thats still something I am working on learning.

As far as the ad spend you helped with that tremendously as a start.

I guess the only thing left to ask before just diving in is how long do you recomend running a test for decent data?

Also do you recomend any better starter niches if the ones I researched are not a good idea?

I agree with you on your budget mathematics which is why I asked. (Or should I just ask affiliate network as some suggest?)

Ps. Man I truly appreciate you, quality help has been impossible to find. I hope to offer some help back in the future when I am in a position to.

HustleHat said:

I guess the only thing left to ask before just diving in is how long do you recomend running a test for decent data?

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You can make optimizations from Day 1 already - If you are having a couple conversions after Day 1 and have already spent Payout x 10 then you can start to blacklist individual zones (if you are on Push or Popunders) or optimize with Landers (say for example you have 3 Landers ; Lander 1 and Lander 2 have 0 conversions, but Lander 3 has 3 conversion - Just cut out Lander 1 & 2 start focusing on Lander 3 and optimize further from there)

HustleHat said:

Also do you recomend any better starter niches if the ones I researched are not a good idea?

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Yeah, go for Tier 2 and Tier 3 GEOS and start with Sweepstakes as they are very easy to begin with - Gives you a basic overview of how the game works - The payouts are not that high but it can help you in the beginning.

HustleHat said:

I agree with you on your budget mathematics which is why I asked. (Or should I just ask affiliate network as some suggest?)

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You can do that as well. Also, to each network you probably have a manager assigned for you. Do ask your manager to give you some recommendations on offers. Sometimes they can work wonders.

Heiko said:

You can make optimizations from Day 1 already - If you are having a couple conversions after Day 1 and have already spent Payout x 10 then you can start to blacklist individual zones (if you are on Push or Popunders) or optimize with Landers (say for example you have 3 Landers ; Lander 1 and Lander 2 have 0 conversions, but Lander 3 has 3 conversion - Just cut out Lander 1 & 2 start focusing on Lander 3 and optimize further from there)



Yeah, go for Tier 2 and Tier 3 GEOS and start with Sweepstakes as they are very easy to begin with - Gives you a basic overview of how the game works - The payouts are not that high but it can help you in the beginning.



You can do that as well. Also, to each network you probably have a manager assigned for you. Do ask your manager to give you some recommendations on offers. Sometimes they can work wonders.

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Thank you man, can't say it enough. I'm also building my niche site for SEO on the side so I look forward to keeping you and the thread updated.

Stay safe, times are crazy

If you're going to be running popups, trackers like voluum etc are going to become super expensive because they charge based on how much traffic you push.

I've used a lot of the major trackers and by far the best I've used is binom. Its self hosted which might sound intimidating but setup is very easy. The bonus with binom is that you are able to run 200k+ per day with the smallest vps host.

In terms of hosting, you need the fastest host possible which at the moment is a CDN. This means when a user from New York visits your website the CDN will connect the user to a New York server to show your website to them. That + their caching will save you money and load your websites faster for visitors which is a super important factor when running popups or any traffic source.

When you're starting out, don't bother creating landing pages, use httrack to rip Landers from campaigns you find. Either through adplexity or manual spying.

Start with sweepstakes as that is super broad and easy to convert. Should get your feet wet.

If you have some extra funds, sign up to stackthatmoney. The amount of valuable info on there is absolutely priceless and will definitely help you on your journey