Chaturbate vs Stripcash affiliate programs

You can call me anything, but never a crakrevenue rep or account. I was just sharing my own views/experience. Earlier in the thread I was speaking out against them. I would be a stupid crakrevenue rep to be doing that.
Learn to do your own test and not only follow things blindly mate.
 
I have set up my Stripcash account and will promote them cautiously to see how it goes.

Off the bat a few thoughts:

1) The promotions look awesome, I can think of 10 different ways to promote it, but it’s only 2 times a year and the last one was in May so it seems like I will have to wait til Black Friday or December to try it out. We will also have to see if a twice a year promo justifies switching sponsors… we will see what the conversions are like at baseline.

2) When I use a text link to a handpicked room and the model is offline 90% of the time I get sent to a Chinese model room speaking Chinese and sometimes with a crazy room concept. What is up with that? Looks 10 times worse than the worst Chaturbate algo room.
 
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I read all the comments and literally made an account just to write this, haha. I've been exclusively on SC since 2020. I tried CB for a very short time.

All I have to say, and all you need to pay attention to is this:

In CB, models are allowed to use their own affiliate link on their profile.

In SC, it is prohibited.

Now you can decide. Hope it helps.
 
I read all the comments and literally made an account just to write this, haha. I've been exclusively on SC since 2020. I tried CB for a very short time.

All I have to say, and all you need to pay attention to is this:

In CB, models are allowed to use their own affiliate link on their profile.

In SC, it is prohibited.

Now you can decide. Hope it helps.
Like I said before, it’s not a problem that models can use the affiliate program because cookies don’t expire and whomever cookies are in first will get credited with the signups. For a while I purposefully promoted models who were aggressive pushing signups with their links and it worked. I got more signups from those than from other models for the simple reason that people with my cookie would also signup “with their link” but it was my cookie in there first, so I got the signups.

Chaturbate removed the affiliate links from models bios like 2 years ago so they don’t push for signups anymore, and I don’t think it had an impact on overall conversions because the percentage of models pushing for signups was small anyway, but yeah.
 
Like I said before, it’s not a problem that models can use the affiliate program because cookies don’t expire and whomever cookies are in first will get credited with the signups. For a while I purposefully promoted models who were aggressive pushing signups with their links and it worked. I got more signups from those than from other models for the simple reason that people with my cookie would also signup “with their link” but it was my cookie in there first, so I got the signups.

Chaturbate removed the affiliate links from models bios like 2 years ago so they don’t push for signups anymore, and I don’t think it had an impact on overall conversions because the percentage of models pushing for signups was small anyway, but yeah.
That makes sense for new registrations. But what I'm trying to say is I have some suspicions that some models are contacting big spenders and forcing them to create new accounts using their own links.

As affiliates, to prevent this, we need to choose which platform is more sensitive about this issue and what actions their risk teams take.

Because 90% of your income comes from 1% of your member pool, aka whales.

We need to make sure the whales are here to stay.
 
That makes sense for new registrations. But what I'm trying to say is I have some suspicions that some models are contacting big spenders and forcing them to create new accounts using their own links.

As affiliates, to prevent this, we need to choose which platform is more sensitive about this issue and what actions their risk teams take.

Because 90% of your income comes from 1% of your member pool, aka whales.

We need to make sure the whales are here to stay.
Several things:

1) If the majority of your income comes from “whales” you have bigger problems than a model stealing an account. As long as you are relying on one or two or even five big spenders your income is unstable and unreliable. What you want to find is a big mass of smaller fish so if one of them stops spending your income isn’t shot to the ground.

2) While some models might convince their biggest and closest regular to sign up for her, this happens much less than new affiliates think. For several reasons: most models are with studios and most studios don’t even use the affiliate program, it’s the indie models the ones who more often use it and they are the minority. Second, the vast majority of members don’t care and spend in several rooms. Nobody is going to abandon their username, clear cookies, sign up under the model link. People don’t go through hoops for anyone, they don’t do shit these days. Third: most models are not very smart and don’t know how to explain to the member what to do to get their account under her program, for example, the vast majority don’t even know cookies don’t expire. And lastly, high spenders are often older men who aren’t very tech savvy so even if the model told them to clear cookies they won’t even know how. Even if a model succeeds at everything, their panel is the same as ours and they don’t know if it worked because they only get a number for each spender ID.

3) So while it does happen the numbers are insignificant. And you will never know if one of your spenders stopped spending cause he ran out of money or if a model “stole him” because you don’t see that type of info on the stats. Most members who spend a lot will only do so for 3 or 4 months and then vanished, they go through a credit card or burn their savings or whatever and one day there’s nothing else to spend.

What truly is a problem is sponsors shaving you. Those will shave everyone, have direct access to your earnings and will not have to go through any hoops. Imagine leaving Chaturbates affiliate program because of models “stealing members” only to land on a sponsor that directly shaves your earnings. That’s my fear with Stripchat and the reason I haven’t given it a proper try until now
 
Several things:

1) If the majority of your income comes from “whales” you have bigger problems than a model stealing an account. As long as you are relying on one or two or even five big spenders your income is unstable and unreliable. What you want to find is a big mass of smaller fish so if one of them stops spending your income isn’t shot to the ground.

2) While some models might convince their biggest and closest regular to sign up for her, this happens much less than new affiliates think. For several reasons: most models are with studios and most studios don’t even use the affiliate program, it’s the indie models the ones who more often use it and they are the minority. Second, the vast majority of members don’t care and spend in several rooms. Nobody is going to abandon their username, clear cookies, sign up under the model link. People don’t go through hoops for anyone, they don’t do shit these days. Third: most models are not very smart and don’t know how to explain to the member what to do to get their account under her program, for example, the vast majority don’t even know cookies don’t expire. And lastly, high spenders are often older men who aren’t very tech savvy so even if the model told them to clear cookies they won’t even know how. Even if a model succeeds at everything, their panel is the same as ours and they don’t know if it worked because they only get a number for each spender ID.

3) So while it does happen the numbers are insignificant. And you will never know if one of your spenders stopped spending cause he ran out of money or if a model “stole him” because you don’t see that type of info on the stats. Most members who spend a lot will only do so for 3 or 4 months and then vanished, they go through a credit card or burn their savings or whatever and one day there’s nothing else to spend.

What truly is a problem is sponsors shaving you. Those will shave everyone, have direct access to your earnings and will not have to go through any hoops. Imagine leaving Chaturbates affiliate program because of models “stealing members” only to land on a sponsor that directly shYou convinced me, thank you.aves your earnings. That’s my fear with Stripchat and the reason I haven’t given it a proper try until now
You convinced me, thank you :) What I'm talking about is more suitable for those with lower traffic i guess.

Shaving is such a bad and discouraging possibility that I didn’t even want to think about it. I have some members who have been spending money on SC for 5 years. But as you said, unfortunately, only they will know if this is true.

If you’ve heard anything about SC or CB's reliability regarding shaving, please share it.
 
You convinced me, thank you :) What I'm talking about is more suitable for those with lower traffic i guess.

Shaving is such a bad and discouraging possibility that I didn’t even want to think about it. I have some members who have been spending money on SC for 5 years. But as you said, unfortunately, only they will know if this is true.

If you’ve heard anything about SC or CB's reliability regarding shaving, please share it.
I haven’t tried SC yet but I am going to and will pay close attention to see if there is anything suspicious. I hope not.

Chaturbate is very reliable. I have never seen anything odd in 10 years. It’s the only sponsor I have ever used that’s this straight which is why I was so reluctant to try other programs
 
I haven’t tried SC yet but I am going to and will pay close attention to see if there is anything suspicious. I hope not.

Chaturbate is very reliable. I have never seen anything odd in 10 years. It’s the only sponsor I have ever used that’s this straight which is why I was so reluctant to try other programs
Alright! Looking forward to see your experiences and feedbacks about it :)
 
What truly is a problem is sponsors shaving you. Those will shave everyone, have direct access to your earnings and will not have to go through any hoops. Imagine leaving Chaturbates affiliate program because of models “stealing members” only to land on a sponsor that directly shaves your earnings. That’s my fear with Stripchat and the reason I haven’t given it a proper try until now

How do you know if a sponsor is shaving you?
 
How do you know if a sponsor is shaving you?

1) Schroedinger's leads: the number of signups and leads on your panel change according to who is looking. For example, you login at 3 am and you see you made 5 signups that day on a promotion that pays $50 per signup. You did great. Later on the same day, say, at 2 pm you notice where it previously said 5 signups, there is only 1 signup, or none at all. So you contact the sponsor to ask what happened and they say they don't see any signups on their end, you must be mistaken. Are you sure it wasn't a different offer you were looking at before? Often the sponsor that shaves you like this will do so over and over so by the end of it you have absolutely no doubt in your mind of what was going on. Why they shave like this? They trust you aren't looking at your panel many times a day because most affiliates don't look.

2) Honeymoon Phase: a sleazy sponsor that knows how to rob you doesn't consider your earnings as etched in stone, they think of your earnings more like incentives to get you to work for them doing what they want you to do. What I mean by this is they will typically credit you with a bunch of signups on your first week with them. You make up your mind about them "WOW! THIS REALLY WORKS!" it has much better conversion rate than whatever other program you have been using. So you promote them hardcore. Once they have locked you in you see a sharp decline in earnings, sometimes it completely dries up and you are left wondering if your traffic now sucks. If the offer sucks, or if they are robbing you. If a program performs 3x your expectations on the first week and then drops to almost nothing there is a high chance they are shaving you.

3) They promote immoral offers: someone who shaves their affiliates will typically have no issue robbing the traffic you send their way. This was the case with several offers on CrakRevenue, for instance, where they would pay you something crazy like $75 per credit card signup because the sponsor was charging the cards they got without permission from the supposed clients you were sending their way. If you see something like this and the CPA network has no qualms working with such type of offer you know they wouldn't really have any scruples shaving you either.

4) Gap between your usual numbers and what the sponsor reports as your earnings: if you know your traffic well and have been working on this for a long time you have an idea, an estimate of what to expect when you promote something. If the numbers you are being given are wildly different from what you expect, then there is a high chance something suspicious is going on with your earnings.

5) Because your traffic tells you: this will only work if you have a relationship with your audience, it doesn't work if you buy traffic in bulk or have google traffic or run a tube or something. If you are an influencer or you are a webmaster sending people who care, you might receive emails from them telling you "hey I signed up for this and that yesterday and it was awesome" or "it was shit" the key here is they signed up. So you go over to the panel. Do you have a signup that day for that offer? If you don't you might start looking more closely into the sponsor's panel, your reported earnings, etc as there is a chance you are also being taken for a ride.

Then there are other strategies that while upfront, are just as sleazy as the ones above.

For example... When Onlyfans opened they had an affiliate program. You got 5% lifetime revshare for every model you signed up with them. I thought there was a very nice earning potential here so I promoted this aggressively and over the course of a year or so got 20+ models to signup for Onlyfans. Most of them quit before 6 months had passed but I had 4 models earning a very nice and steady income. And I got a 5% slice of that. Until Onlyfans said they were closing their affiliate program RETROACTIVELY. Meaning, not only were they closing the affiliate program for the future, none of your "lifetime revshare" signups were going to be honored. They simply stole the accounts point blank. This is how you know a sponsor is SHIT and you should never work with them. I don't care what MFC or Onlyfans does in the future I will never promote anything they do because I learn my lessons the first time.

There you go.
 
1) Schroedinger's leads: the number of signups and leads on your panel change according to who is looking. For example, you login at 3 am and you see you made 5 signups that day on a promotion that pays $50 per signup. You did great. Later on the same day, say, at 2 pm you notice where it previously said 5 signups, there is only 1 signup, or none at all. So you contact the sponsor to ask what happened and they say they don't see any signups on their end, you must be mistaken. Are you sure it wasn't a different offer you were looking at before? Often the sponsor that shaves you like this will do so over and over so by the end of it you have absolutely no doubt in your mind of what was going on. Why they shave like this? They trust you aren't looking at your panel many times a day because most affiliates don't look.

2) Honeymoon Phase: a sleazy sponsor that knows how to rob you doesn't consider your earnings as etched in stone, they think of your earnings more like incentives to get you to work for them doing what they want you to do. What I mean by this is they will typically credit you with a bunch of signups on your first week with them. You make up your mind about them "WOW! THIS REALLY WORKS!" it has much better conversion rate than whatever other program you have been using. So you promote them hardcore. Once they have locked you in you see a sharp decline in earnings, sometimes it completely dries up and you are left wondering if your traffic now sucks. If the offer sucks, or if they are robbing you. If a program performs 3x your expectations on the first week and then drops to almost nothing there is a high chance they are shaving you.

3) They promote immoral offers: someone who shaves their affiliates will typically have no issue robbing the traffic you send their way. This was the case with several offers on CrakRevenue, for instance, where they would pay you something crazy like $75 per credit card signup because the sponsor was charging the cards they got without permission from the supposed clients you were sending their way. If you see something like this and the CPA network has no qualms working with such type of offer you know they wouldn't really have any scruples shaving you either.

4) Gap between your usual numbers and what the sponsor reports as your earnings: if you know your traffic well and have been working on this for a long time you have an idea, an estimate of what to expect when you promote something. If the numbers you are being given are wildly different from what you expect, then there is a high chance something suspicious is going on with your earnings.

5) Because your traffic tells you: this will only work if you have a relationship with your audience, it doesn't work if you buy traffic in bulk or have google traffic or run a tube or something. If you are an influencer or you are a webmaster sending people who care, you might receive emails from them telling you "hey I signed up for this and that yesterday and it was awesome" or "it was shit" the key here is they signed up. So you go over to the panel. Do you have a signup that day for that offer? If you don't you might start looking more closely into the sponsor's panel, your reported earnings, etc as there is a chance you are also being taken for a ride.

Then there are other strategies that while upfront, are just as sleazy as the ones above.

For example... When Onlyfans opened they had an affiliate program. You got 5% lifetime revshare for every model you signed up with them. I thought there was a very nice earning potential here so I promoted this aggressively and over the course of a year or so got 20+ models to signup for Onlyfans. Most of them quit before 6 months had passed but I had 4 models earning a very nice and steady income. And I got a 5% slice of that. Until Onlyfans said they were closing their affiliate program RETROACTIVELY. Meaning, not only were they closing the affiliate program for the future, none of your "lifetime revshare" signups were going to be honored. They simply stole the accounts point blank. This is how you know a sponsor is SHIT and you should never work with them. I don't care what MFC or Onlyfans does in the future I will never promote anything they do because I learn my lessons the first time.

There you go.
Your experience in this industry inspires me. Even though I have been in this business for 5 years, I feel like I have a lot to learn from you :) Is it possible for us to correspond via instant messenger sometime? I can share my thoughts with some statistics tho
 
3) They promote immoral offers: someone who shaves their affiliates will typically have no issue robbing the traffic you send their way. This was the case with several offers on CrakRevenue, for instance, where they would pay you something crazy like $75 per credit card signup because the sponsor was charging the cards they got without permission from the supposed clients you were sending their way. If you see something like this and the CPA network has no qualms working with such type of offer you know they wouldn't really have any scruples shaving you either.

Thanks for the great post. What surprises me is that they can do this without getting a bad user rep. I know I'd be pissed if someone charged my card without permission.


I've got a few more newbie questions for anyone willing to share answers:

1. How much content and site design do you need to have in place for a potential partner to sponsor you? I'd say my site at this moment looks decent at best, and all it features are 8 videos I embedded from Pornhub (yes, I know I won't get any commissions from Pornhub, but I wanted to have at least some content)

I applied to one big tube sponsor yesterday, my site is still awaiting moderation. Tried a cam affiliate 3 days ago, still waiting. Is this usual?

2. Being a cosplay-oriented site, I figure I'll need as many sponsors as possible to fill my site good cosplay content. Is this a good a strategy?
 
Is chaturbate still good? I dont think so for now since its old sites and the peak was over
I agree with you. The site looks like it's from 1998. I don't know if this is a good thing for old school users, but not for me. Before I market something, I pay attention to whether I like it or not as a customer
 
What does it matter where the models are from? It's not a dating site... the members aren't going to be meeting any of them
No need to guess about it. There's something called "Pornhub insights for 202x", and they show statistics broken for countries (among other data).
Every year situation is the same, for most of the countries visitors preferences are for porn (girls) from their own country.
I don't know statistics for cams, but I see no reason for cam preferences to be dramatically different from porn.
 
No need to guess about it. There's something called "Pornhub insights for 202x", and they show statistics broken for countries (among other data).
Every year situation is the same, for most of the countries visitors preferences are for porn (girls) from their own country.
I don't know statistics for cams, but I see no reason for cam preferences to be dramatically different from porn.

Insights from one field will rarely map out on another, even if adjacent. So I try to go by my own experience rather than by data gathered by third parties. Here is what I think on this matter:

While tubesites and camsites are both porn, the type of user you are looking to hook is quite different.

a) Tubesites insights relate to their FREE users. The tubesite user is free to watch any number of videos and perform any number of searches. In contrast you want to target your ads to a camsite SPENDER. Spenders are willing to spend money on an activity and this has a completely different incentive skewing their selections.

b) Tubesites insights are limited in their usefulness since they don't know if the user actually jerked off to the material or if he was simply browsing. When a user types in "italiano" because he is italian, what he really wants to find is whatever he is interested in watching and attracted to but in italian. Do they find this though? I am willing to bet there is a high chance they don't. So their following search is for what they are really interested in watching without the "italiano" constraint. On camsites this is particularly difficult, to find a woman that will tick all their boxes AND be from their locality. What normally happens is they will be much more interested in a woman from another continent that happens to match their ideal more closely, and this is who they choose to spend on.

c) You need to ask yourself WHY a user spends money on a camsite. Why do they do it? If they just want to jerk off wouldn't it be more sensible to go to a tubesite and find a free video that "does it" for them? Why spend money? And on these freemium camsites you don't even need to spend to have some sense of interaction, many models will talk to people in their chat without a tip. Why spend? I'll tell you why. It's a parasocial relationship. These are lonely people who develop a sense of social intimacy with cammodels and they like the approval and the connection they feel when they see the reaction a model has to their tips. This is why it takes a long time to go from viewer to spender, why your revshare accounts need to mature before you see actual spending patterns. The woman who does this for a user will very rarely be from their own locality.

In fact, sorting the site by geographic location could prevent users from finding the right model for them. You want to put them into contact with the most attractive women in the categories they are interested in regardless of where they are from. By locking them in to a geographic area you are leaving them out of options, making them harder to reach. This is like forcing a man to choose a woman from his village where the cutest girl is a 6 at best, or letting them download Tinder and see them interact with 9s who are one ocean away. Who is willing to spend more per interaction? It's better for the social fabric to pair up 6s with 6s, but we aren't discussing marriages, we are talking about porn usage and parasocial relationships. That 9 is what you want your spender to have access to, even if he is from the USA and she is from Ukraine.

That's my two cents.
 
I will use this thread to write my thoughts on how Stripcash compares to Chaturbate as I use their program.

First let me say I have only promoted Stripchat for a couple of days. The stats I will show you are my first attempt (a very light one) at promoting their offer.

I then promoted Chaturbate in the exact same way to see how both programs compare. Here I will show you both.

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On Chaturbate for 524 clicks, I got 286 unique clicks and 6 signups.

On Stripcash for 584 clicks (I am not told how many are unique) I got 8 signups of which 4 were verified through a double opt-in process.

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Now, let's note a few things.

a) Both programs convert pretty well.
b) Chaturbate's conversion rate for this promotion was of 0.011 while Stripcash performed just a tad better at 0.013.
c) Chaturbate doesn't require email addresses in order to sign up, Stripchat does, and then asks for confirmation. So I guess the 4 verified signups on the Stripcash panel are of higher potential value. It is all the same to me because I am working revshare, only spending will tell which accounts were useful.

Now I want you to notice a few very important things that might change the way this information is received.

IMPORTANT >>> While the Stripcash rate was nominally better, I was expecting MUCH BETTER numbers because I have been advertising Chaturbate for years and I don't buy traffic, it's a captive audience so my expectation was to see a higher signup rate for the new offer off the bat since it's new to my users. I didn't get that surge I was expecting, so my guess is this offer will only convert worse as time goes by. We will have to see.
 
Good luck in your journey

c) Chaturbate doesn't require email addresses in order to sign up, Stripchat does, and then asks for confirmation. So I guess the 4 verified signups on the Stripcash panel are of higher potential value. It is all the same to me because I am working revshare, only spending will tell which accounts were useful.
I find this very valuable because Stripchat runs big promotions every few months, usually offering 50% off, and they notify current users via email. I strongly believe it boosts the rebill rate.
 
Guys these stats are bad, right? This is from today (started promoting yesterday lol)

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Even the countries are pretty good but conversion rate looks terrible.

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Is it normal to have so low spenders in the first day of getting all these signups? Should I expect new spenders from same signups in the upcoming days or do they usually spend right after they signup?
as someone mentioned before, a freemium offer does not yield immediate results. If you are patient and your type of traffic converts effectively, you will eventually see the outcomes. look at this example, where a user signed up in 2021 and only began spending money after a year and still spends
 

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I have set up my Stripcash account and will promote them cautiously to see how it goes.

Off the bat a few thoughts:

1) The promotions look awesome, I can think of 10 different ways to promote it, but it’s only 2 times a year and the last one was in May so it seems like I will have to wait til Black Friday or December to try it out. We will also have to see if a twice a year promo justifies switching sponsors… we will see what the conversions are like at baseline.

2) When I use a text link to a handpicked room and the model is offline 90% of the time I get sent to a Chinese model room speaking Chinese and sometimes with a crazy room concept. What is up with that? Looks 10 times worse than the worst Chaturbate algo room.
i think there is an end of summer promo soon
 
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