Case Study: Testing the effects of excessive backlinking

very interesting topic, probably we need to follow up until couple months ahead

So, what exactly is mass-linking? Would sending an AMR blast of 5000 directories be considered as a sort of mass-linking too?

Hmmm, interesting experiment, good on you for putting up one of your sites, looking forward to some results.

Ranking have jumped up today.

in Google.com "hemorrhoid symptoms" went form position 12, to position 9.

"Hemorrhoid treatments" went from position 20, to 19, then later to 18 and just now it is position 10.

I have a huge AMR blast coming soon. I believe AMR is causing a lot fo problems in Panda and making sites drop, we'll soon find out.

@nakatoo - I think when someone says "mass linking", they basically mean spammy the internet for links as much as possible.

Cool idea. Waiting for the update.

make sure you get amr blast from the new beta(it comes with spinnable author names)

Great topic, keep it running!

any of your links degrading?

jb2008 said:

Micallef, the links he is building are being built. Xrumer and SB can build hundreds of thousands of links if you want them to.

However the reason why only a few are showing is because they are not being indexed, especially profile links. If gorang is not going to any extra methods to actually INDEX these links at all, then he may as well not build them, in my opinion.

And the worst thing about social bookmarks is, specifically Pligg, is that most of the time you have to 'vote up' the story using another account in order to transfer your story from upcoming (nofollow) to published (d0-f o llow). This pisses me off greatly as you can bookmark the shit out of your site but only see it buried among thousands of pages of upcoming bullshit and zero chance of being indexed, and even then it will be no follow.

My own experiment on 'excessive' backlinking went like this: I manually made 200 useful, relevant comments on high PR 3-7 blog pages (not domains, actual page PR) on a new site and my site went up to page 1 (no 5) for a couple weeks. Then it went down into the oblivion (still indexed) and I haven't seen it since. This was 4 months ago. It's still indexed and everything but not ranking for shit. In yahoo and bing on page one.

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Follows this trend, goes up G fag, poings, then ranks in Yahoo and Bing.

Hey Gorang,
thanks for continuing with this case study, it's been very informative.

There's a lot of discusion about "link velocity" these days - your constant backlinking is keeping your link velocity stable (a good thing) but I think it will be very interesting to see what will happen a couple of weeks after you stop building any links.

It would be a great way to show how much effect link velocity really has, if you feel like another experiment

agente808 said:

Hey Gorang,
thanks for continuing with this case study, it's been very informative.

There's a lot of discusion about "link velocity" these days - your constant backlinking is keeping your link velocity stable (a good thing) but I think it will be very interesting to see what will happen a couple of weeks after you stop building any links.

It would be a great way to show how much effect link velocity really has, if you feel like another experiment

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That's definitely an issue in the back of my mind. If I start hitting position 1-5 for hemorrhoid symptoms/treatments then to be honest i'd prefer to keep the site there so i'll be continuing the blasts for sure hehe.

The site is still ranking well, first page for those two keywords. However i've not seen much of an increase in traffic.

gorang said:

Ranking have jumped up today.

in Google "hemorrhoid symptoms" went form position 12, to position 9.

"Hemorrhoid treatments" went from position 20, to 19, then later to 18 and just now it is position 10.

I have a huge AMR blast coming soon. I believe AMR is causing a lot fo problems in Panda and making sites drop, we'll soon find out.

nakatoo - I think when someone says "mass linking", they basically mean spammy the internet for links as much as possible.

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I'm also wondering about the AMR submissions and how it will effect you. I have AMR and i'm afraid to blast it, but we'll see.

Also, it seems that you are seeing some increases in rankings. i'm excited to see how this turns out.

-Matt

Adamonation92 said:

I'm also wondering about the AMR submissions and how it will effect you. I have AMR and i'm afraid to blast it, but we'll see.

Also, it seems that you are seeing some increases in rankings. i'm excited to see how this turns out.

-Matt

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I'm scared of the AMR blast as well, I believe it is causing a lot of sites to drop in ranking.

But this wouldn't be a good case study if I cherry pick.

The plan is to blast the site with everything at my disposal and i'm not going to stray from that now.

Good old link velocity

Seems most think of link velocity only being used only as a penalty, when in fact search engines could use it to (pull and boost import news to the top of the serps) then allow it to drop back if x amount of links stop coming its then seen as old news

*zap* said:

Good old link velocity

Seems most think of link velocity only being used only as a penalty, when in fact search engines could use it to (pull and boost import news to the top of the serps) then allow it to drop back if x amount of links stop coming its then seen as old news

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That's what I was thinking and wonder if this behavior is interpreted by some as the Google dance when in fact Google has decided that the site now lacks velocity, i.e. old news and no longer deserves its ranking. This might mean that its critical to have a steady flow of links coming in to a site to maintain position.

haha.. if I would be an Gurgle Spam Team Employee, I would push your site to the top 1# positions, for every long-tail keyword there is in your niche.

Then A BUNCH of people would jump in and spam the sh* out of their website, loosing a LOT of time

bertbaby said:

That's what I was thinking and wonder if this behavior is interpreted by some as the Google dance when in fact Google has decided that the site now lacks velocity, i.e. old news and no longer deserves its ranking. This might mean that its critical to have a steady flow of links coming in to a site to maintain position.

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I'm thinking the same. If I was to stop building links, the site will drop.

If I start hitting position 1-5 for hemorrhoid symptoms/treatments then to be honest i'd prefer to keep the site there

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hehe, well, I can't say I'd blame you

Update - All of the linkbuilding below has been complete.

Completed
3500 Xrumer Blast
SEnukeX Social bookmark module/RSS module blast (about 20 links?)
5500 Xrumer blast
2 X EVOPRO Blast(about 100 quality profile links each run + other stuff)
1000 Xrumer blast
10k scrapebox blast
SEnukeX campaign + 5,000 blog comments
200 social bookmarks (manually)
300 link AMR blast - (Thanks goes to Movieman32 for this freebie)
Scrapebox Blasts from various lists - 350 links
7500 Xrumer blast


I'm doing a few of my own scrapebox blasts, but it takes hours to complete and usually I only end up with around 50 links. I find the slow commenter is actually better for getting links. Especially if you find your own footprints.

Today I saw that "hemorrhoid symptoms" dropped from position 8-10, to position 71.

However, I noticed that the page being listed is now an inner page. If you've been doing SEO long, you'll know that when Google believes an inner page may be more relevant to that search result it will switch the page appearing in the results and ALSO drop your site lots of places.

So I don't know if this is the supposed "big drop" which occurs, or Google is simply deciding what page to display and causing the listing to dance.

"Hemorrhoid treatments" is at 282, however this result ALSO shows an inner page. Quite strange really. I didn't build links to any of the inner pages with these links.

By the way, the last linkbuilding I did, was AMR.

I predicted the site would drop, so now let's see if it comes back. We should not stop linkbuilding at all.

Again, if anyone would be willing to donate a run on their SEO tools for this Case Study then please PM me.

I'll be doing more linkbuilding in the next few days when some money is processed to me.

I'm subscribing to your thread. Thanks for the case study! This could light us a bit on the google dance, google "sandbox" and the effect of mass backlinking etc..

Mal