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Can't get in the top ten

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Michlap, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. Michlap

    Michlap Regular Member

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    Hi guys

    I've got 5 sites

    I have keywords for each ranked about positions 10-20 in Google


    I ca't seem to get in the top 10


    Any tips?

    Im using GSA ser
    some web 2.0s
     
  2. Business112

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    diversity of backlinks will do the job
     
  3. conrulez

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    Welcome to the new google sandbox.

    How long have the backlinks been in place?
     
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    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    How can you determine if there is a Google sandbox (there isn't) when OP hasn't stated how old the sites are?
    The reason OP can't rank higher, is that his links are weaker than the competition, that's all.
     
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  5. intruder2600

    intruder2600 Junior Member

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    I have some sites that can't reach top10 for year or more, ranked 11-16. I also have 1-2 months sites with same problem. Sandbox exists.
     
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    This sort of shows that it doesn't

    Or are you saying the sandbox is 12 months for some sites and 1-2 months for others?
     
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    A sandbox is built with long slotted holes on the bottom to let the water escape when it rains. This is where your link juice is escaping from your sites.
     
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    Your should improve your link profile and get links from other sources. Also you should add more quality links, with some good metrics. Time matter. In my opinion if you want to hit the first page with quality keywords, you need at least 4 months of a steady link building strategy.
     
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    Yeah there is a sandbox.

    YES, it is true you can push through it or even avoid it with enough authority AND velocity. But not many people can and for sure he's not gonna do that with just GSA and some web2.0's unless he's chasing REALLY long tail stuff with very little competition (that is still very doable).

    The age of his sites themselves doesn't mean a damn thing. The age of the links does (how long they've been linking to his sites). Page 2-3 is where it seems to kick in for most. Sites stall and you sit there REGARDLESS of what authority you throw at it. If you do have real authority links though, you should see movement to page 1 in 4-8+ weeks later (personally I believe the level of competition plays a big role in the timeframe).

    The only way around it that I have seen myself (and heard from others) is using high velocity of links (spam) coupled with those authority links. And there in lies the problem. Too many people are too scared to throw that much spam at a site because they believe they're playing long ball not churn and burn. Not to mention of course, that most can't afford the high authority links in the first place.

    Ask anybody who tests a lot and does churn and burn and they will tell you the same. Yes the new sandbox exists. It doesn't kick in until you're at page 2-3. And yeah you can overcome it, but most won't and don't because 1) they don't have the budget (or the roi doesn't make it worthwhile) or 2) they are too scared to send that much spam.

    Personally I think the strategy to employ depends on your goals. If you are hoping to last longer term, then just accept the longer timeframe to rank and plan accordingly. If you want to churn and burn, make sure your ROI is worth it first of all, and don't be afraid to blast the living daylights out of your sites with spam in addition to those Higher end links.

    That's my experience and $.02 anyways.

    OP, you should have a better idea of what to do now. Best of luck to everyone.
     
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    mickyfu does churn and burn 24/7 and I am pretty sure that he would disagree with you.
     
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    What in the world? I did not receive one email saying this had been updated.


    One of my sites on an year old domain and been linking since june/july
     
  13. Michlap

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    who is mickyfu? got any useful posts?
     
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    Same thing is happening to me, No matter what i do including ordering services from here i can't seem to get ahead of page 3. Anyone have a suggestion of a service that will move me from page three to at least close to maybe spot like 15 or first page would be ideal. I know they cannot guarantee it or anything
    Thanks in advance
     
  15. intruder2600

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    Yes, sometimes it's just for a month, sometimes it takes months. I have websites ranked on 20 keywords, ranking is like:

    kwd1 : 12, 12, 13, 12, 12, 14, 11, 12, 12
    kwd2 : 16, 16, 15, 16, 16, 15, 15, 16, 15
    ...
    kwd20: 11, 11, 12, 11, 13, 12, 12, 11, 11

    Same for 6-8 months, whatever I do this site is like ignored by algo. I can give it some good links, then bad links, change content, whatever - nothing is changing.
     
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    First, GOOGLE is a bitch mate! Sometimes you need more than web 2.0 to get that top 10. Although this mainly depends on competition, niche and a whole lot of other BS. I just do not trust SEO anymore to be honest.
     
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    How can you determine that?
     
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    Hey that's all good. If Mickyfu isn't seeing any delays on his Churn and Burn I'm happy for him. (no sarcasm intended there).

    Not trying to start a war at all. I'm just putting out my own experiences. Again I believe the level of competition plays a huge factor in how many authority links (of course the quality of those links is also a factor) and how much spam are needed to avoid a sandbox. Like everything else in this biz, it's not an exact science of course. But personally I think it's become obvious that "some" kind of sandbox is out there. Most of my stuff is not C & B so I just eat the delay in ranking and move on. But Yeah, I've gotten past it with some C & B stuff using the strategy I talked about.

    Best of luck.
     
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    Given the info you both presented it's likely that just need higher authority links. OP you should have made it out by now but your keyword(s) are probably tougher than you think. I'd by some higher end links. If you're well diversified with anchor text, a handful of higher end SAPE links could work just fine.

    Intruder,
    Definitely same for you if you're staying in the same place for 3+ months. Sounds like you're stuck in the middle meaning your budget won't allow you to get the links you need, yet the KWDS are competitive enough that you need those links to push to the top. Two main choices: Higher authority links or go after less competitive KWDS.

    Good luck guys.
     
  20. mickyfu

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    So if I made a churn and burn and it stuck at the top of page 2, I then decided to bubble the sites at 9 and 10 on page one, what would happen to my website at the top of page two? Would position 9 and 10 become empty spaces, and Google would only have 8 results on page 1? No what would happen is my website would move up to position 9 - 10.

    The sandbox has been invented by people stuck on page two, I have been it this situation myself, and what I find best for giving your website that kick it needs is 301 redirects blasted with Sape and web2's.

    Let's do a search way before the magical date of May, search for stuck on page two. This is nothing new in the slightest, as Wilson said, your sites backlink profile simply is not as good as the sites above.

    I have made websites since May and had them indexed on page one, churn and burns, as have many other people. However what you seem to find is people obsessed with the fictional sandbox only want people to agree with them that there is a sandbox, and anyone who tells them different, their opinions do not count. What you are experiencing is quite simply tunnel vision.
     
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