Can you trust Ahref KD as shown below

jasmine.davis.123

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Hi,
According to Ahref, they calculate the KD considering the no of backlinks to a particular site, they ignore onpage seo completely,

do you think that this KW can get in to top 10 with 0-10 backlinks according to ahref?

I had a look with the KWFinder, where I got 45 KD, nobody will enter in to this KW?
Any thoughts...

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It really isn't that accurate. None of the tools that show keyword difficulty are.

A page on a DR 90 domain will have a lot of juice, even if it has no direct external backlinks. But the page will be possible to beat if your domain has decent juice as well, and you build some backlinks.

Also, in regards to getting 10 backlinks, all backlinks aren't created equal. You could probably rank on that page with a few really strong backlinks, or not rank at all with 50 crap backlinks.

So to sum up, the tool gives you a rough idea, but you have to do your own research and use your own judgment as well.

And for what it's worth, don't forget that AHREFS, and the other metric tools, can't see PBN backlinks, so a website might look like it has no backlinks when it really has 100 PBN links.
 

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KD scores mean nothing. They are just a made up number and the fact is is that Google doesn't use those numbers to rank so they are mostly irrelevant. Manual research should always be used when doing KW research. Scores are ok for filtering but I wouldn't use Ahrefs, KWFinder score is perhaps one of the best even though I don't like it or think its 100% accurate. It's a good tool to just import a load of KW and filter below a certain score. I have a guide I uploaded the other day on how you can replicate KWFinder comp. scores without paying for it.

In the example above I'd say you would struggle a lot to rank for that keyword. Perhaps near impossible as you are taking on the official website and some seriously strong stores.

This is one example of how manual research can save you making a very expensive mistake.
 

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Read the description
There said that you need less than 10 backlinks to rank at top10
Accordingly, to top10, some websites have 0 backlinks
Sooo ahrefs calculated everything right accordingly to their own formula
 

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From my experience KWfinder is most likely to be closer to the truth.

Ahrefs is good for a lot, but when it comes to their KD I don't have much faith in it.
 

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KD scores mean nothing. They are just a made up number and the fact is is that Google doesn't use those numbers to rank so they are mostly irrelevant. Manual research should always be used when doing KW research. Scores are ok for filtering but I wouldn't use Ahrefs, KWFinder score is perhaps one of the best even though I don't like it or think its 100% accurate. It's a good tool to just import a load of KW and filter below a certain score. I have a guide I uploaded the other day on how you can replicate KWFinder comp. scores without paying for it.

In the example above I'd say you would struggle a lot to rank for that keyword. Perhaps near impossible as you are taking on the official website and some seriously strong stores.

This is one example of how manual research can save you making a very expensive mistake.
You are wrong
Ahref KD means A LOT
But first, you should research how actually it calculated and for what purpose
 

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It really isn't that accurate. None of the tools that show keyword difficulty are.

A page on a DR 90 domain will have a lot of juice, even if it has no direct external backlinks. But the page will be possible to beat if your domain has decent juice as well, and you build some backlinks.

Also, in regards to getting 10 backlinks, all backlinks aren't created equal. You could probably rank on that page with a few really strong backlinks, or not rank at all with 50 crap backlinks.

So to sum up, the tool gives you a rough idea, but you have to do your own research and use your own judgment as well.

And for what it's worth, don't forget that AHREFS, and the other metric tools, can't see PBN backlinks, so a website might look like it has no backlinks when it really has 100 PBN links.

Completely agree with you, my concern here is ahref has a strong point there, they have statistically proven that back links are the most important factor for google and all onpage seo will account a small fraction...
 

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Completely agree with you, my concern here is ahref has a strong point there, they have statistically proven that back links are the most important factor for google and all onpage seo will account a small fraction...

It's true. As long as your page loads fast enough, and is clearly about the topic, then links juice is 90% of the battle.
Where AHREFS goes wrong though is that it is not considering all of the link juice from the internal links from those massive brand domains.
 

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From my experience KWfinder is most likely to be closer to the truth.

Ahrefs is good for a lot, but when it comes to their KD I don't have much faith in it.

KWfinder KD is BS, A keyword difficulty: 56 (Should be difficult), My site is 3 months old, no backlinks.. ranked #9 on this keyword in 3-4 days.
and It will hit #1 easily after 1/2 weeks. because no page target this keyword exactly, and the forums Domain authority made the KD high.

KD by the tools is nothing, always do your research well.
 

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You are wrong
Ahref KD means A LOT
But first, you should research how actually it calculated and for what purpose

Ahrefs uses RD and the score represents the ease of ranking top 10. There is no way that keyword in OP's post is a 0. Link juice, site age and authority are big influencers in competition and are not reflected/used by Ahrefs which IMO is an issue as many people will just see a low score and try and rank a site for it.

I'd be open to hearing your opinion on why you value it but IMO it is a useless score a long with other KW difficulty scores from other research tools.
 

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KWfinder KD is BS, A keyword difficulty: 56 (Should be difficult), My site is 3 months old, no backlinks.. ranked #9 on this keyword in 3-4 days.
and It will hit #1 easily after 1/2 weeks. because no page target this keyword exactly, and the forums Domain authority made the KD high.

KD by the tools is nothing, always do your research well.
In your example the KW tool is not the issue.

These KW tools doesn't care about on-page SEO. They are looking at things like backlinks, domain age and so on.

If you claim KWfinders results are BS it's because you don't understand how to use it properly.

You can't use a tool like this and believe the difficulty score to 100%. Rather it is an indicator of something. That's all there is to it - an indicator. You should still do manual research.
 

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In your example the KW tool is not the issue.

These KW tools doesn't care about on-page SEO. They are looking at things like backlinks, domain age and so on.

If you claim KWfinders results are BS it's because you don't understand how to use it properly.

You can't use a tool like this and believe the difficulty score to 100%. Rather it is an indicator of something. That's all there is to it - an indicator. You should still do manual research.
Concerning backlinks, there is some results with 20 KD on kwfinder, and you can spend +$1000 on PBNs and you won't rank too, because the rankings pages are powered by strong hidden PBNs.

Not only that, KWfinder takes data from MOZ, like DA and PA and make it's calculations based on it! who still care about those BS metrices, DA & PA!
 

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The only tool with real Google numbers is adwords. You need that in the mix to draw some accurate estimates.
 

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Ahrefs uses RD and the score represents the ease of ranking top 10. There is no way that keyword in OP's post is a 0. Link juice, site age and authority are big influencers in competition and are not reflected/used by Ahrefs which IMO is an issue as many people will just see a low score and try and rank a site for it.

I'd be open to hearing your opinion on why you value it but IMO it is a useless score a long with other KW difficulty scores from other research tools.
Ahrefs don't consider your website to have DR 0 while your competitors have 80+
If your DR similar to top10 you CAN rank in top 10 with less than 10 backlinks(in this case)

If you have a site with good DR (in my situation quite often as I'm doing client SEO for mostly big e-commerce sites) and you open new category it's quite handy to calculate how much and what quality backlinks you need to build\buy for top10 ranking.
 
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Concerning backlinks, there is some results with 20 KD on kwfinder, and you can spend +$1000 on PBNs and you won't rank too, because the rankings pages are powered by strong hidden PBNs.

Not only that, KWfinder takes data from MOZ, like DA and PA and make it's calculations based on it! who still care about those BS metrices, DA & PA!

Which confirms everything I just said.
 

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The only tool with real Google numbers is adwords. You need that in the mix to draw some accurate estimates.
Well different Google products might know the figures but doesn't mean theyd be truthful with them
 

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Concerning backlinks, there is some results with 20 KD on kwfinder, and you can spend +$1000 on PBNs and you won't rank too, because the rankings pages are powered by strong hidden PBNs.

Not only that, KWfinder takes data from MOZ, like DA and PA and make it's calculations based on it! who still care about those BS metrices, DA & PA!
So, you are pro with kwfinder or ahrefs? :D
 

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Ahrefs uses RD and the score represents the ease of ranking top 10. There is no way that keyword in OP's post is a 0. Link juice, site age and authority are big influencers in competition and are not reflected/used by Ahrefs which IMO is an issue as many people will just see a low score and try and rank a site for it.

I'd be open to hearing your opinion on why you value it but IMO it is a useless score a long with other KW difficulty scores from other research tools.
So, you trust a shitty tools with API from Moz? :LOL
 

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PBN are still a massive issue and if you are doing KW research for a competitive niche then you got to dig deeper and manually check everything which admitidley is
So, you trust a shitty tools with API from Moz? :LOL

In no way did I say that in my comments. In fact if you look at mosts of my post history when I comment and help users on keyword research etc. I've always stated pretty clearly that I think KW Comp. scores are useless.

In fact I don't use KWFinder anymore, I mainly do 100% manual keyword research and only use keyword research tools for search volume and suggested keywords.

I've stated that KWFinder is perhaps the best tool if you are looking for a tool that gives a KW Comp. Score. If you have a big list of keywords then it is not a bad tool to quickly filter keywords down to a smaller amount. For example I often have list of thousands of keywords. KWFinder is sometimes useful to cut this down to 100 or so in which I do manual research from.

So to answer your question no I don't trust these tools and never have done.
 
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