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Can yo PROVE that backlinking with views, comments and all works?

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by erussx2, Aug 11, 2013.

  1. erussx2

    erussx2 Regular Member

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    I know this topic gets beat to death, but it is a big topic. It's what everyone wants.....higher ranks.

    I was taught that if you backlink while getting "real" views comments and likes that you WOULD move up in the search. The key is to make it look natural to Youtube.

    I am strictly talking Youtube.

    But if it was true then most everyone would experience higher rankings when this kind of SEO is done properly, right?

    We I have experienced the opposite. I have gone up then out of site. I see other post the same thing. yet others claim they have success.

    So can anyone PROVE somehow that if you try to fool Youtube into thinking you have a growing channel that YOUTUBE will not notice you faked it? And that they will FOR SURE put you up?

    Because at this point I think YT knows who is faking and who isn't.

    If you put up a channel and it gets views and grows without you doing anything, then THAT is one that YT will ALWAYS reward! But if you fake it then YT knows and you might or might not get ranked. It's all random.

    I have an open mind. I AM NOT claiming anything. I might be challenging, but NOT claiming.
     
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    You should do a case study and tell us.
     
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    I know nothing about fake youtube comments and likes because I've never done it. But in regards to "they'll always reward you", I'll just say that I've had many videos rank very well naturally and without any fake comments or likes, and then suddenly an older video will start to outrank mine for whatever reason. So even if you do things the natural way and without cheating, they won't always reward you for it.
     
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    You have to think of it in this way:
    Youtube is just a website.That website is build up with code.These codes include algos to sort(rank) the users input.I don't believe that they have a big chance to spot fake channels because in order to do so they have to say ok if this and that happens the channel is fake and it won't rank.No one is watching and deciding if that channel might be fake.So as long as you don't do it to dumb like loads of 0% views without likes and comments then youtube shouldn't be able to do anything.
     
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    erussx2 Regular Member

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    So then maybe nothing works for certain.
     
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    erussx2 Regular Member

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    I think they have an algo that is very smart and knows who is trying to buy their way to the top.

    I also think they know which sites make them the most money and put those on page 1 and 2 and you will never kick those channels off unless of course you make them more money.
     
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    It's not as simple as likes/views/comments/favourites etc, although they do play a part in ranking. It's best to dripfeed views/likes because then Youtube thinks your video is very popular at the current time and will keep you ranking highly. The age, username and subscriber count of a Youtube channel is also very important and I find that older accounts or accounts with 10k+ subscribers rank videos much easier. I personally haven't experimented a lot with backlinks and if anyone has the time to do a case study that would be great. Social shares help a lot with ranking but the main idea is to do a bit of everything to make it look as natural as possible.
     
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    erussx2 Regular Member

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    When I say views and like and all....I mean everything. And yes I mean drip feed. I mean do it ALL right. I tried to make that clear.

    However, age, is something you cant fake. Or can you?

    I think the most important thing to YT is who makes them the most money. If your channel was 5 days old and you make them more money than the others in your keywords, then you would be on page one.
     
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    funkybunker Supreme Member

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    It's been 4 days and my video is still ranking, even on Google (#8 page one)

    I've seen boosting a video with a huge chunk of views, and then drip feeding it afterwards ranks it and keeps it there, of course mine isn't needing drip feed because it's getting organic traffic. Make great videos and people will love it anyway.
     
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    erussx2 Regular Member

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    Ok.

    1. Your experience is anecdotal.

    2. Your keywords might not be ones that make Youtube money

    3. Come back in a month and tell us where you are. Lots of people including me experience a rise in the ranks at first.

    At this point I am doubting whether good videos matter. I am thinking that they only matter if they make Youtube money.
     
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    lol
    why you still resist
    blast views and get page one in youtube and if you are getting organic views it will stay
    and don't forget the blast backlink
     
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    im not resisting. i am doing what you said. and im doing it right.

    when i get to the top, or even near the top, i'll report back.

    i'm just looking at all the evidence and making honest observations.

    i WANT to be wrong.
     
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    1. You are NOT doing it totally right!
    2. You ARE wrong!

    With that being said, for the millionth time, Google is a god damn BOT! Not the ultimate AI system with human mind. It doesn't rank you because it doesn't like your video, it ranks you based on its algorithm. And since we can game his algorithm and achieve Page 1 Rankings in the SERP-s, Youtube should be no different! ( Google owns Youtube! )

    Suggestions for you: Treat your youtube video like a money site you want to rank on Google.
    1. Do proper on-site SEO ( Title, Description, Tags ) - Use a full 500+ word article in the description fully optimized for SEO like you would do in your normal site.
    2. Send high retention views ( 90-100% ), likes, favorites, subscribers, comments ( for conversion purposes only good/believable ones ) and social signals ( Tweets, FB shares/likes, G+, Pins, Stumbles, Digs, etc.. ) AT THE SAME TIME!
    3. Send High PR Social Bookmarks AT THE SAME TIME with everything in point 2.
    4. Send Diversified High PR Links from multiple platforms with anchor text diversity ( for YT you can use more your money keywords as your anchor text then brand/nake urls ) - Multi-tiered link building works WONDERS like it also does in Google!

    Ok here is my favorite strategy about drip feed: For just uploaded videos , wait 2-3 days. Make sure you have completed point 1. After that, drip feed views/likes/subs/comments/favorites + social signals + High PR Bookmarks ( Point 2 and 3 ) for about a week. Start slow the first ~2 days then the rest 5-6 blast the shit out of it with those steadily increasing every day!! ( this "makes" your video go viral in the eyes of YT ). Depending on competition, this alone will give you Page 1 rankings on YT! If not, do point 4 on drip feed for the next ~2 weeks!

    Try it and if it doesn't work, shoot me in the head lol... But seriously it works. Of course there is more to point 4 for example, how and where to acquire backlinks but that needs another thread entirely. ( and there are plenty useful in BHW already, not to mention the services in BST which you can use to outsource everything ).

    I hope this should get you started in the right direction.
    Good Luck!
     
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    With all respect. I HAVE done those things. I FOR SURE have done it right!

    To suggest that Google CANT make an algorithm to spot and detect when people are using paid link building and paid views and all that stuff is a little bad logic in my mind. Just because Google uses a program to rank and detect DOES NOT men that program is in capable of knowing how people are getting views.

    And how do you explain people like me that DO IT RIGHT and still dont rank? There are many. Not just me.

    Like I said, I WANT to be wrong. But logically your point is not valid.
     
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    It's not a bad logic man. It all comes down how you do link building. The more footprints you leave, the easier you are gonna be detected. I'm not saying they can't detect those stuff. They can, however not like a human would do. The whole point of SEO is gaming the algorithm and give it " a reason " to rank you, while meeting some standard "natural user behavior" patterns.
    That my friend is YOUR JOB! And its hard lol, but not impossible.

    About the program knowing how you are getting the views, just buy them ( to boost your videos ) from legit providers and you will be fine. Do not buy from shitty fiverr gigs. Make sure they have HIGH Retention Rate and coming from different sources.
    And which of my points exactly is not valid ? I am just trying to help you out, not lie to you lol. I use the same methods I shared with you in a nutshell to rank my own sites and videos and so do many others successfully.

    I can not be sure you did it right unless I know what you have done. Maybe something you consider "right" is wrong. There are many factors in SEO which can make your entire project fuck up. You have to identify them and fix them.

    That's all I can say. Unless you meet the engineers of Google, there is no rocket science blueprint for this lol, so get back to what you did, find out whats wrong, and fix it!

    EDIT: Maybe your competition is TOO HIGH ?
     
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    Thanks for acknowledging my point. If they know then they know.

    Yes, my competition is extremely high. That might be why in my case. But I am not the only case.
     
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    Why you asking a question if you're just going to fight everyone's opinion you don't agree with. If you think G00gle can make human like decisions than G00gle can make human like decisions.
     
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    What you call "fight" I call discussion for the sake of learning.
     
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    Just goto My Journey Section
    Read the Youtube+Clickbank or cpa Journeys
    they all build backlink throw views and do every thing said in your post ..
    they make money too ..you can see the screenshot of hop count increase + the money they are making
    Although i am new to youtube but i know this works
    some might consider it as a method but you do not have a perfect method in seo ( especially with youtube )
    having said this ..in last 2 weeks i lost 15% of my backlinks but i gained in serp so nothing is certain .
    Just keep testing - Theres no perfect method in youtube
    Only 1 thing you can be certain about is good attractive video and nice description . It all comes down to your video quality in the end ..conversion is good when video is good . you need High retention views till one point .
     
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    All the people you are referring to are marketers. I plainly stated in my post i was speaking about youtube only.

    i am not an affiliate marketer.

    But, i am still running real views and backlinking. I am hoping i am wrong and that my videos will come back to the top. One that was slipping seems to be at least holding. It is on page 3 and page 4 of youtube search that gets 64,000 global and 12,000 exact searches per month according to youtube keyword tool.