Calling Out: USProxyKing
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John posted the link to the recording of the skype call himself. The purpose of attending was to see if friend was telling the truth (which he was - confirmed by the call) as I was slightly skeptical. I was pretty adamant that John was not a scammer after thinking about it (before the call). So I asked some questions in the call and I don't think John realised it was me until later on in the call where I mentioned cattle-farming - it must of clicked. "Cattle Farming" was a reference to the night we spent out... his car had broke down so we left it outside the brewery and on the way home we passed a cattle farm which is when he said to me "forget drugs, cattle farming is where the money is at".
Not fooling around or anything, this was our "private joke".
Really appreciate that, someone should probably fix this moderation thing. Added some reputation, apparently thanks and reputation means something round here but i dont see a thanks button on your post.
ktothewire
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damn good read, id buy this book.
illfounded21
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This kind of detail makes me think this isn't something that has been made up.
A big issue that caught my attention was when he first promoted his JV he was seeking investors of course, and as such, gave out these crazy figures for returns. The supposed business model was tied into insurance offers via cpa networks. Even the title of his JV talks about it being CPA based. Then once I brought up the TCPA and FCC regulations and possible violations encompassed therein, we finally started having a discussion regarding the legalities of the JV since it would fall within the definition of being a "commerical solicitation."
Then the tone of the business model went anyway from CPA and/or insurance related offers to simply business-to-business calls which focused on selling Google Places as the primary rev stream. In addition, this new primary revenue stream is now more of a "we don't know how much" and "we don't know when."
If I was an investor, I would A: want my money back or at the very least B: I would want a complete understanding of why OP so easily changed up the entire business model on the spot once we started talking about the legalities involved. Changing the model's main rev. stream so easily and quickly lends me to believe that this was never a real business venture to begin with. He was adamant about the CPA side of it in the beginning and now by his own words, is adamant about it being just Google Places services in order to overcome the "legalities" aspect of it.
Think about it people, you invested thousands of dollars on the promise that you would get xxxx in return per day. Now this JV is at a point where the OP is saying, "don't know when and don't know how much" and has completely changed the business model away from CPA/commerical solicitation to b2b calls selling Google Places. I, for one, would be questioning this harder.
Then the tone of the business model went anyway from CPA and/or insurance related offers to simply business-to-business calls which focused on selling Google Places as the primary rev stream. In addition, this new primary revenue stream is now more of a "we don't know how much" and "we don't know when."
If I was an investor, I would A: want my money back or at the very least B: I would want a complete understanding of why OP so easily changed up the entire business model on the spot once we started talking about the legalities involved. Changing the model's main rev. stream so easily and quickly lends me to believe that this was never a real business venture to begin with. He was adamant about the CPA side of it in the beginning and now by his own words, is adamant about it being just Google Places services in order to overcome the "legalities" aspect of it.
Think about it people, you invested thousands of dollars on the promise that you would get xxxx in return per day. Now this JV is at a point where the OP is saying, "don't know when and don't know how much" and has completely changed the business model away from CPA/commerical solicitation to b2b calls selling Google Places. I, for one, would be questioning this harder.
Not fooling around, what would I gain from posting this story. I'd actually just lose an hour of my time. John may even confirm it, I don't know if he'll return to this forum. We'll see what happens if/when he sees this.
Anyway, after looking around, it seems like he's bought some sort of VIP status on this forum. When he does do a runner you can just get his details from the payment processor he used to pay for this status.
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What the hell is going on in this forum ? First moneymanz scammed us for 20 k , now this guy ... Its getting worse and worse ...
One lucky thing though , I got more carefull after the moneymanz thing and cause of that I didnt invest in this stuff
Good luck on getting your money back ppl
One lucky thing though , I got more carefull after the moneymanz thing and cause of that I didnt invest in this stuff
Good luck on getting your money back ppl
NX_NULL
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That guy is a scam artist, and its so sad many members from BHW fall for something like this, any body with 2 brain cells would understand there is no way to make FREE robocalls unless you invest something like 20 billion dollars and setup a telecommunication corporation for yourself to make the calls FREE , even at that time each call wouldn't be completely free
Sprouts
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Holy shit. I was so up for investing in this and after reading this I feel like such an idiot. It all seemed a bit too good to be true.
Thanks to Tony/Trevor for coming to the forum and warning us!
I don't think drinks will cut it but if you're ever in the UK, send me a PM!
Thanks to Tony/Trevor for coming to the forum and warning us!
I don't think drinks will cut it but if you're ever in the UK, send me a PM!
At Sprouts:
No probs, don't like seeing people get scammed.
Also, my name is Trevor, Tony is the name I adopted whilst dealing, it becomes second nature to begin using your alias... Didn't realise I had done so.
Another word of advice, don't get mixed up in drugs, it will ruin your life. I wish I graduated or pursued further education.
No probs, don't like seeing people get scammed.
Also, my name is Trevor, Tony is the name I adopted whilst dealing, it becomes second nature to begin using your alias... Didn't realise I had done so.
Another word of advice, don't get mixed up in drugs, it will ruin your life. I wish I graduated or pursued further education.
Thanks, there were about 6 others in the call (excluding john and his partner), hopefully 1 will come forward. I was booted from the call 3/4 of the way through.
This is the recording of the call: robocallingsoftware [DCOM] /7-23-12-conf
This is hosted on their servers so they can pull it down at any minute. Looks like whoever posted it forgot to add a file extension so just add .wmv on the end and open it with windows media player. At 40:07 he says "Who is this Trevor guy?" and there was no-one else called trevor on the call so he is referring to me. This is when he must of clicked it was me and booted me. I think this is solid proof I was in the call and him pretending not to know me. Don't be surprised if he sticks to this story.
Also, if you listen to this call he talks about his drug usage before this, not knowing it was me questioning him of course...
I gotta head out on a job in a bit, I doubt I'll be back on here before bed but I will return tomorrow. I got about 10 mins before I go so I'll stick around.
This is hosted on their servers so they can pull it down at any minute. Looks like whoever posted it forgot to add a file extension so just add .wmv on the end and open it with windows media player. At 40:07 he says "Who is this Trevor guy?" and there was no-one else called trevor on the call so he is referring to me. This is when he must of clicked it was me and booted me. I think this is solid proof I was in the call and him pretending not to know me. Don't be surprised if he sticks to this story.
Also, if you listen to this call he talks about his drug usage before this, not knowing it was me questioning him of course...
I gotta head out on a job in a bit, I doubt I'll be back on here before bed but I will return tomorrow. I got about 10 mins before I go so I'll stick around.
Thanks, it wasn't me who edited it, looks like it was a moderator.
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