Buying/Selling KYC products

Google require advertiser verification in random times, no matter how "legit" your account is.
You can technically sell only 2 types of accounts:
1. Pre verified account: Not allowed
2. A non verified account: A subpar product that will be useless as soon as the verification is required.
Non of which are allowed here.
@BassTrackerBoats the market spoke - nobody will want to buy these accounts anyway. Lol.
I understand you're having a personal interests in this matter, but do you seriously think that trying to show me as unprofessional will help you make your case?
He has a thread here, but I'm selling outside of bhw, I freelance ads and once every couple months some ukrainian guy buys accounts that I have left after clients. He runs casino ads on these. The only thing I'm trying to point out is that google's verification requests AREN'T random. I have a general idea of how the algorithm works after running ads there for couple years.

Google grades its customers, kinda, it's not random. Most of my clients will NOT get asked to id verify right away, but after 2 months, during this time ads can be ran. The only time I had id verification right away was with this suspicious client. Also got 4 different suspensions on this account after! For 4 different reasons lol. I did manage to unban this account and run (wh) ads on it, but it took like, 3 weeks to unban xDD. Same on fb with that bitch that did a chargeback on fb ads - she had shadowban, fb didn't let her add payment method on new account. Managed to solve that too.


Google ads even grades the cards people add into their ad accounts. With some clients/cards I notice google increases threshold faster, they know how rich or broke clients are. Idk how they do this, do they know card's balance or maybe they just check the type and if it's normal brokie card they give standard treshold, if it's some platinum monster they give higher treshold? It's not random at all. @Lukmat it's not google ads standard behaviour, it's you. They know it's the same person trying to make a new account so they ask you to id verify. Not sure what you did on these accounts because you didn't say but it doesn't normally act like this, you need to fix your shit and not walk around saying that gads asks for id verification right away.

Not verification, but popular problem among pseudo-wh business owners is that they get banned for circumventing systems, then they make a new ad account and get instant suspension, make another and again.

The solution to this is going back to first account and unbanning that one. We're all bh here, not gonna complain you did something 'immoral' because that's just silly. It's not about morals, but you need to act within the algorithm's limits. You either fucked up the first account and are making new ones like these business owners I mentioned and you need to fix the first account OR if it's not fixable your anonimization method sucks and google still knows it's you OR anonimization method itself is so shit it triggers id verification. Gads is not acting this way to everyone. Also, newsflash: you can sometimes succeed at unsuspending bh accounts as well, so it's not only for wh. You should always try to unsuspend before making a new account, even if it requires multiple tries over 3 weeks period lol. Hell, with google ads you don't even need a phone number if you don't turn on 2fa, you can use email only. Fb ads is a whole different story.
 
@BassTrackerBoats the market spoke - nobody will want to buy these accounts anyway. Lol.

He has a thread here, but I'm selling outside of bhw, I freelance ads and once every couple months some ukrainian guy buys accounts that I have left after clients. He runs casino ads on these. The only thing I'm trying to point out is that google's verification requests AREN'T random. I have a general idea of how the algorithm works after running ads there for couple years.

Yes, I have a selling thread here, one of 3, and yes I have a vetted interest, it's not a secret.

But you know what you're talking about and it shows, when someone does not have a clue what they talk about, they'll just write up generalities.

Google ads even grades the cards people add into their ad accounts. With some clients/cards I notice google increases threshold faster, they know how rich or broke clients are. Idk how they do this, do they know card's balance or maybe they just check the type and if it's normal brokie card they give standard treshold, if it's some platinum monster they give higher treshold? It's not random at all.

Yup, another good point you make. There are cards and then there are just other cards to create accounts.

@Lukmat it's not google ads standard behaviour, it's you. They know it's the same person trying to make a new account so they ask you to id verify. Not sure what you did on these accounts because you didn't say but it doesn't normally act like this, you need to fix your shit and not walk around saying that gads asks for id verification right away.

100%.
 
I understand you're having a personal interests in this matter, but do you seriously think that trying to show me as unprofessional will help you make your case?
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I don't understand this agression. I am not forum staff and I will not decide. I don't think so I have even any impact on staff decision. They will check it themself and decide themself. I shared only my personal opinion and experience with Gads
But then many of them quoted me, mentioned me with full of agression xD
Chill guys, I will not ban your BST, I don't have even such possibility @deppo and before you say "When I do not know about something I just shut the fuck up" twink twice. Because I will not "shut the fuck up". Use arguments instead.
 
I don't have even such possibility @deppo and before you say "When I do not know about something I just shut the fuck up" twink twice. Because I will not "shut the fuck up". Use arguments instead.

Noone referred to you.
 
yes i saw

They are made on https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/premium-275-google-ads-accounts-run-whitehat-greyhat-and-blackhat-ads.1605385/#post-17780439.

so 10 account - 10 names - 10 physical bank cards

no kyc?

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/premium-275-google-ads-accounts-run-whitehat-greyhat-and-blackhat-ads.1605385/post-17780439
deepo you forgot to answer one of my question

you said in your thread that you are u sing physical bank card. Now not all bank card comes with same name. so how you buying physical bank cards with different name without kyc ?
 
Noone referred to you.
We all know the context of whole thread and this is evasion, but even you not referred this to me, you have no right to tell anyone to shut the fuck up because you have BST in that niche.
This is only discussion. Share your arguments and discuss without personal trips.
 
@Diamond Damien is dead set on not allowing illegal activity
This opens a can of worms...

Whether or not kyc is needed anything that defrauds is illegal.

Any threshold account defrauds google, botting on spotify defrauds artists, etc.

Hell you could even argue using a proxy, to pretend i am from a different country.

Indeed anything that enables you to gain a pecuniary advantage is illegal.

What is the position on that @BassTrackerBoats
 
This opens a can of worms...

Whether or not kyc is needed anything that defrauds is illegal.

Any threshold account defrauds google, botting on spotify defrauds artists, etc.

Hell you could even argue using a proxy, to pretend i am from a different country.

Indeed anything that enables you to gain a pecuniary advantage is illegal.

What is the position on that @BassTrackerBoats
Breaking EULA of service is not breaking the law.
In European countries and in the USA breaking EULA is nothing.
With fake accs, proxies you are just breaking EULA.

But KYC with stolen ID or other goverment issued documents is the crime.
 
deepo you forgot to answer one of my question

you said in your thread that you are u sing physical bank card. Now not all bank card comes with same name. so how you buying physical bank cards with different name without kyc ?
My accounts are also with physical cards, but these are my freelance clients' cards obviously. When they stop coming back I delete payment profile and sell the account with history, treshold, but the buyer adds his payment info. For sure physical cards make a huge difference, that problematic client used prepaid card, among many other problems he caused.
 
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I don't understand this agression. I am not forum staff and I will not decide. I don't think so I have even any impact on staff decision. They will check it themself and decide themself. I shared only my personal opinion and experience with Gads
But then many of them quoted me, mentioned me with full of agression xD
Chill guys, I will not ban your BST, I don't have even such possibility @deppo and before you say "When I do not know about something I just shut the fuck up" twink twice. Because I will not "shut the fuck up". Use arguments instead.
I gave up on this thread, seems like people with severe dunning kruger effect think they know how to bypass advertiser verification on BH campaigns, even though huge trusted companies needed to comply with it back in 2022.

The bottom line is that if an account is sold after advertiser verification, it's violating 3.8 and if it's sold before, it's a ticking time bomb before it'll end up in the DR section, as we seen 8n the last few months.
 
deepo you forgot to answer one of my question

you said in your thread that you are u sing physical bank card. Now not all bank card comes with same name. so how you buying physical bank cards with different name without kyc ?

I did not forget, I just do not like you.

Any moderator who pm's me on that, they will get an exact answer.
 
I gave up on this thread, seems like people with severe dunning kruger effect think they know how to bypass advertiser verification on BH campaigns, even though huge trusted companies needed to comply with it back in 2022.

The bottom line is that if an account is sold after advertiser verification, it's violating 3.8 and if it's sold before, it's a ticking time bomb before it'll end up in the DR section, as we seen 8n the last few months.
Alright then, lets remove the whole fuckin forum because illegal eh.
 
Breaking EULA of service is not breaking the law.
In European countries and in the USA breaking EULA is nothing.
With fake accs, proxies you are just breaking EULA.
Depends what you do with it if it is illegal or not. For example, not sure why you would want to set up a fake threshold account and not run an ad campaign on it, as soon as you do not pay you will be defrauding google.
 
We don't have a say in this. The rule was written a long time ago.

For some reason, people think that it's a debate, but the decision was already made.
True. But if all of this gets removed what's left of the marketplace section and forum in general? A bit of backlinks and lame ebooks? Threads of wannabe onlyfans agencies? Fuckin everything else removed lol.
 
True. But if all of this gets removed what's left of the marketplace section and forum in general? A bit of backlinks and lame ebooks? Threads of wannabe onlyfans agencies? Fuckin everything else removed lol.
What about merch design, organic seo website, old fashioned PPC, third party article writing, guest posts, forum banners, apps.....

Phew. feel like I just ran a marathon, and that's only what I know without much thinking, lol Keep the forum and MP I think, there is plenty good stuff to behold, just cause you don't make money from legally scruitanizable methods I assume? lol is that what your saying? :)
 
What about merch design, organic seo website, old fashioned PPC, third party article writing, guest posts, forum banners, apps.....

Phew. feel like I just ran a marathon, and that's only what I know without much thinking, lol Keep the forum and MP I think, there is plenty good stuff to behold, just cause you don't make money from legally scruitanizable methods I assume? lol is that what your saying? :)
Next we have "opinions" everywhere in the internet from professionals on linkedin/medium to reddit: "these guys are criminals".
Because for years someone was always selling here revolut, transferwise, stripe, fake documents for cheat paypal (authorities already cleaned him) and google ads threshold to screw company.
 
What about merch design, organic seo website, old fashioned PPC, third party article writing, guest posts, forum banners, apps.....

Phew. feel like I just ran a marathon, and that's only what I know without much thinking, lol Keep the forum and MP I think, there is plenty good stuff to behold, just cause you don't make money from legally scruitanizable methods I assume? lol is that what your saying? :)
Yeah, basically not grayhat even anymore, just pure whitehat + prostitution allowed, for some reason. Time to switch to the light theme sitewide.
 
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