Buying/Selling KYC products

[Arpito]

Wrong. Accounts in Google Ads after creation and first payment are getting "Suspicious payment" hold. After KYC, they are unlocking them.
So currently all accounts in Google Ads in people offers are KYC verified. From where they are taking ID, driver license. Who knows.

Once i knew this , i left the business.
Apparently too late.

 

[Salamouna]

Yes I got some good infraction for that before the forum was clear about it
I miss the days where second eye was selling fake documents and then FBI was chasing him
That changed BHW completely from that date

 

[Lukmat]

Once i knew this , i left the business.
Apparently too late.

I don't have any idea about agency accounts, but individual accounts instantly are asking for KYC when you deposit money and try to start campaing. Thats why I am not doing multi accs any more, I lost few months fighting with this
Some people saying it's a "skill" to create accounts, ok, I live them with this

 

[roydan]

Trustpilot verified reviews: allows as they dont need ID verified

Trustpilot reviews from verified account, not allowed as they need id verified
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right? @BassTrackerBoats

Buying reviews shouldn't be a problem, but buying the account should not be allowed.

 

[Jr_Peter]

from now on, we are going to see very less posts on wtb section

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

from now on, we are going to see very less posts on wtb section

But they will be legal and the number of the posts eliminated will actually be minimal.

 

[HerdEmblem]

But they will be legal and the number of the posts eliminated will actually be minimal.

Definitely for long run that necessary

that will not give much impact on revenue but you will see less scam reports and strong community

 

[roydan]

Would this affect BSTs?
If it was a new rule, I assume it would've prevented BSTs from being renewed, but given that this is an old rule, enforcing it now may have some severe implications on active BSTs.

 

[pennyweight]

@BassTrackerBoats , I understand your point of view.
I will say I did get a few warning points for those specific issues.

I think on the WTB, Hire a Freelancer and Joint Venture
There needs to be a sticky Thread that gets updated every time, listing exactly what cannot be Sold, Bought, Traded and etc.
If everything that relates to KYC that actually means pretty much 95% of what we do here.

1. No Payment Solutions
2. No Banks, Virtual Credit Cards
3. No Social Media Ad Accounts
4. No Verified Reviews
5. No Phone Numbers Sold from list of companies
6. No Aged LinkedIn Accounts - which 99% of them are verified

And I guess much more.

My Question is if we are straight forward saying that, should the next step be binding to Terms of service of other businesses
For example:

No more swapping Reviews which obviously misleading information and against terms of service on every Review website.

I am just saying to consider these steps again to understand the impact on BHW.

 

[HerdEmblem]

@BassTrackerBoats , I understand your point of view.
I will say I did get a few warning points for those specific issues.

I think on the WTB, Hire a Freelancer and Joint Venture
There needs to be a sticky Thread that gets updated every time, listing exactly what cannot be Sold, Bought, Traded and etc.
If everything that relates to KYC that actually means pretty much 95% of what we do here.

1. No Payment Solutions
2. No Banks, Virtual Credit Cards
3. No Social Media Ad Accounts
4. No Verified Reviews
5. No Phone Numbers Sold from list of companies
6. No Aged LinkedIn Accounts - which 99% of them are verified

And I guess much more.

My Question is if we are straight forward saying that, should the next step be binding to Terms of service of other businesses
For example:

No more swapping Reviews which obviously misleading information and against terms of service on every Review website.

I am just saying to consider these steps again to understand the impact on BHW.

here we are taking about kyc

people can run real sevice

like if i have agency account then i will run ads for you (not sale account). So that is ok to do

but if i sale ads account which made with fake kyc document then its not ok to do

payment solution already ban from here. Wise etc not allowed to buy and sell

VCC is allowed because that don't need kyc

phone number don't need kyc

etc etc

 

[pennyweight]

here we are taking about kyc

people can run real sevice

like if i have agency account then i will run ads for you (not sale account). So that is ok to do

but if i sale ads account which made with fake kyc document then its not ok to do

payment solution already ban from here. Wise etc not allowed to buy and sell

VCC is allowed because that don't need kyc

phone number don't need kyc

etc etc

Phone Numbers Required KYC, Depends on the Country you are requesting the Number from.

Phone Numbers from Germany, Switzerland require ID + Proof of address for example.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

KYC is not allowed as it is illegal.

Plain and simple.

Please do not be a participant in that on either the buyer or seller's end.

 

[SilverClouds]

Wrong. Accounts in Google Ads after creation and first payment are getting "Suspicious payment" hold. After KYC, they are unlocking them.
So currently all accounts in Google Ads in people offers are KYC verified. From where they are taking ID, driver license. Who knows.

Same Stripe accounts. To do them working, you have to do KYC + business verification from goverment registry. People who are selling them, veryfing them with some docs.

I think Bass, you should on BHW eliminate all financial and ads accounts.
Stripe, Revolut, banks, VCC/CC, PayPal, Google Ads, Bing ads
This would make BHW very clean and eliminate Google Ads fraudsters.
BHW reputation would also increase in the world of IM

@BassTrackerBoats not true all are id verified, I freelance google ads and make new accounts often, most get verification after a month or two, before that you can run ads without kyc. But it's true gads is more and more aggressive about kyc. It doesn't request it right away on most accounts though, like they're trying not to scare new advertisers away. So there's really no need to get rid of fresh google ads accounts, might have a spending limit and all but no kyc yet.

 

[TOR SEO]

at first thanks to you OP @BassTrackerBoats ppl should follow the rules & respect bhw terms of course. appreciate it am read the full content. & ppl should always remember the line you mentioned "Nobody wants to give out warnings, nobody wants to ban you and nobody wants you to feel badly about offering or buying a service but rules are rules and I give out warnings for that like it is free candy as does the other staff members when we see it.

Be smart, be safe and play inside the lines as that will make you a success more so than doing something that is illegal in the long run."

 

[SilverClouds]

Being required to be verified on google ads is entirely dependent on the trust Google puts on your account. As with anything, it takes skill to NOT have to verify an account. To outsiders, yes, it may seem impossible,



You probably have not seen my sales thread.

Yep, I had instant verification only with freelance client that was suspicious af, he used fake name on fb (Speedy Gonsales instead of putting his name in - seriously). He must have had multiple google accounts that weren't seperated from each other as well. He suggested we make the account in a friends name. And so on and so forth. Google just thought he's suspicious af so requested verification right away. Another time I had a problem (but that was facebook ads, not google) was a client that apparently did a chargeback on fb. Had incredible difficulties with adding a payment method on new account for her, but somehow managed to get it working. So if you have instant verification request from gads or payment method problems with fbads you 100% had a suspicious history with the platform imo.

For me most accounts require verification after about 2 months, sometimes later, sometimes quicker (not right away though like people in this thread claim, only this one time with suspicious customer lol). How long are you able to keep your accounts without verification @deppo ?

I don't have any idea about agency accounts, but individual accounts instantly are asking for KYC when you deposit money and try to start campaing. Thats why I am not doing multi accs any more, I lost few months fighting with this
Some people saying it's a "skill" to create accounts, ok, I live them with this

Bruh, they don't require instant kyc, I do google ads for 4 years now.

 

[deppo]

Yep, I had instant verification only with freelance client that was suspicious af, he used fake name on fb (Speedy Gonsales instead of putting his name in - seriously). He must have had multiple google accounts that weren't seperated from each other as well. He suggested we make the account in a friends name. And so on and so forth. Google just thought he's suspicious af so requested verification right away. Another time I had a problem (but that was facebook ads, not google) was a client that apparently did a chargeback on fb. Had incredible difficulties with adding a payment method on new account for her, but somehow managed to get it working. So if you have instant verification request from gads or payment method problems with fbads you 100% had a suspicious history with the platform imo.

For me most accounts require verification after about 2 months, sometimes later, sometimes quicker (not right away though like people in this thread claim, only this one time with suspicious customer lol). How long are you able to keep your accounts without verification @deppo ?

Good points, yes. Indeed, people with no or little experience just make up limits on what you can or you cannot do, When I do not know about something I just shut the fuck up. Simple as that. You will never see me commenting on facebook ads because I do not know much.

Suspicious payments suspensions on Google Ads have nothing to do with the payment method of the account and everything to do with how strong the account is, this particular suspension is like Google tells you "sorry buddy, not this time".

To answer your particular question, as advertised on my sales thread, my accounts are unverified and currently live for 3 to 6 months with no issues in regards to verification requests.

 

[roydan]

Google require advertiser verification in random times, no matter how "legit" your account is.
You can technically sell only 2 types of accounts:
1. Pre verified account: Not allowed
2. A non verified account: A subpar product that will be useless as soon as the verification is required.
Non of which are allowed here.

 

[deppo]

Google require advertiser verification in random times, no matter how "legit" your account is.
You can technically sell only 2 types of accounts:
1. Pre verified account: Not allowed
2. A non verified account: A subpar product that will be useless as soon as the verification is required.
Non of which are allowed here.

Ok Mr. media buyer. Keep sticking to your story.

 

[roydan]

Ok Mr. media buyer. Keep sticking to your story.

I understand you're having a personal interests in this matter, but do you seriously think that trying to show me as unprofessional will help you make your case?

 

[deppo]

I understand you're having a personal interests in this matter, but do you seriously think that trying to show me as unprofessional will help you make your case?

The opposite actually. I called you Mister!