Building New Computer!

Visual Eagle said:

Leave it like so.. CPU-z could show lower value.

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YOOOOOOOO! Finally my memory is being used at 64%

Remember I had a problem where my memory would not, it would not go above 50% usage no matter what. Now it's at 64%

I turned on all 70 programs. None crashed, and the computer hasn't crashed either, not yet anyway.

There is a bit of lag when switching between programs, but not like before. It's better now.

Now I just need to wait for the programs to start doing heavy work. Seems at the moment they're all just sitting not really pulling any heavy weight.

Well damn, things are kinda sorta okay now. Now I wait for heavy usage, and for 12-72 hours to pass, and see what happens...

@Larry Igna I haven't forgotten about what you told me. That actually sounds super promising. I'll be looking into that next for sure

Ok, so here is the actual problem. My 2 computers are each having 70 Firefox browsers open, doing the exact same stuff.

My old PC the CPU goes between 70-100% up and down, and it works.

My new PC, the CPU goes up to 100% and just stays there. And all my browsers get slow.

I would blame the Firefox browsers, but why are the two computers behaving so differently using the same damn programs???

Well fuck me. I may have figured out why the new PC behaves differently than my old PC and what the problem is.

The fucking GPU!

See, in my old computer I have a shitty old GPU that was made some time before Christ. It has no fans on it and is small, and has a VGA port. In my new computer I have some fancy GPU. Not the best in the world, but a decent one. It has 2 big fans, has HDMI and DVI-I and DVI-D ports on it.

Well, so in my old computer in Task Manager I don't have "GPU" and "GPU Engine." But on my new computer I do have these things.

And most of the time my programs are running in GPU 0 - 3D and all is well.

However, sometimes they switch to "GPU 0 - Copy" when they visit certain pages. And when that happens to a program, that program will go from 0.5-1% usage up to even 5% usage. And as long as one of my browsers stay on such a page, the "GPU 0 - Copy" will be there next to it in the task manager.

Then the programs go even up to 5% usage. We have 70 programs, if 20 of them are on such pages, forget about it, the computer is done for, barely moving.

I'm gonna google this a little. And if I can't figure it out I'll rip the GPU out of the new computer and put the old GPU from my other computer in it. If that solves my problem, MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other people have reported this "GPU 0 - Copy" problem. Anything from game issues to fucking dynamic wallpaper desktop background issues.

Look:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/o...ngine-stutters-on-accelerated-motion/247466/5
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/980176-gpu-0-copy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/modernwarfare/comments/dqf50j/gpu_0_copy/

Ok, here is another one. And my computer is the same, everything runs on "GPU 0 - 3D" and "GPU 0 - Copy."

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/8jw4n3/gpu_0_3d_wrecks_my_performance/

It's killing my CPU

Scorpion Ghost said:

Other people have reported this "GPU 0 - Copy" problem. Anything from game issues to fucking dynamic wallpaper desktop background issues.

Look:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/o...ngine-stutters-on-accelerated-motion/247466/5
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/980176-gpu-0-copy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/modernwarfare/comments/dqf50j/gpu_0_copy/

Ok, here is another one. And my computer is the same, everything runs on "GPU 0 - 3D" and "GPU 0 - Copy."

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/8jw4n3/gpu_0_3d_wrecks_my_performance/

It's killing my CPU

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Its not... Either GPU is bad which I highly doubt it or you have some driver issues.

Use DDU and boot into safe mode and delete the drivers and do a fresh install.. Maybe not of the latest ones as I am not sure how compatible are they with your GPU.

You are overthinking this for sure and making some "stupid" decisions.

Well... I went into device manager and checked my GPU driver. I had a recent driver. The date of it was from a few months ago.

Then I clicked roll back driver, and now all of a sudden I have "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter" shown there instead of my GPU. Also in task manager now the "GPU Engine" slot is empty, and only the "GPU" slot shows percentages.

If you would've had a recent driver.. it would have been a few weeks old not few months.

Visual Eagle said:

Its not... Either GPU is bad which I highly doubt it or you have some driver issues.

Use DDU and boot into safe mode and delete the drivers and do a fresh install.. Maybe not of the latest ones as I am not sure how compatible are they with your GPU.

You are overthinking this for sure and making some "stupid" decisions.

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DUUUUUUUUDE! I think think this fixed it!

Scorpion Ghost said:

Well... I went into device manager and checked my GPU driver. I had a recent driver. The date of it was from a few months ago.

Then I clicked roll back driver, and now all of a sudden I have "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter" shown there instead of my GPU. Also in task manager now the "GPU Engine" slot is empty, and only the "GPU" slot shows percentages.

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DUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!! @Visual Eagle there's no more lag!!!

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I don't have GPU shown in my Task Manager anymore either. Now it shows like my other computer, instead of GPU it shows Power Usage stats

Good, I hate stupid fucking GPUs anyway!

DUUUUUUUUUUUDE HAAHAHAHAHAH I THINK THIS WAS IT. I'll restart the computer just for good measure, and try my programs again. I'm having a good feeling about this

Visual Eagle said:

If you would've had a recent driver.. it would have been a few weeks old not few months.

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Dude I love you, but fuck the GPU and fuck its drivers too. The GPU is just a piece of shit anyway that adds more work to my computer, AS WAS AMPLY DEMONSTRATED RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

Hold on let me take a deep breath...

Ok, I'll buy your bullshit. I'll install the most recent driver I can find and test. And then I'll also test the way I have it now (sweet sweet "Mircosoft Basic Display Adapter").

The basic display adapter will win. You know why? Cuz it's "BASIC." It's in the word, Basic. You know what that means? It means it fucking works! It keeps its mouth shut and works without a lot of bells and whistles. Like me, I keep my mouth shut and fucking work, I don't make an arrogant fancy show of it (like my shitty fucking gpu maahahaha).

Ok, I'll do the latest drivers for the GPU first because when that fails I wanna revert back to the Basic and ride my horse into the sunset

Well now you are without any drivers... I would avoid checking task manager for GPU and CPU related things as there are other softwares out there...

It should show like this if you have everything installed correctly (I assume you would be checking task manager).

MAKE SURE YOU USE DDU I wont be repeating myself ... if you encounter problems and didnt use DDU dont ask em for help.

Visual Eagle said:

Well now you are without any drivers... I would avoid checking task manager for GPU and CPU related things as there are other softwares out there...

It should show like this if you have everything installed correctly (I assume you would be checking task manager).

MAKE SURE YOU USE DDU I wont be repeating myself ... if you encounter problems and didnt use DDU dont ask em for help.

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Yes that's exactly how I had it. That's the devil's picture right there sir!

Now that I reverted to the basic thing, I have no more GPU anything anywhere in task manager.

Ok, let's try again. Latest drivers, figure out what DDU is and use it. Gotcha. Doing it now...

Scorpion Ghost said:

Yes that's exactly how I had it. That's the devil's picture right there sir!

Now that I reverted to the basic thing, I have no more GPU anything anywhere in task manager.

Ok, let's try again. Latest drivers, figure out what DDU is and use it. Gotcha. Doing it now...

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Devils picture hahaha... its how its supposed to be if its not you have something broken.

Visual Eagle said:

Devils picture hahaha... its how its supposed to be if its not you have something broken.

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That's how it was. And that's how it is again. I re-installed the drivers just to check, and the drivers I had on were from 8/16/2019 (installed by Windows Updates). For my GPU - AMD Radeon (TM) R9 380 Series.

Now moving on...

A guy here gave 9 clear steps on how to do DDU. I hope that's what you meant - https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/990b3x/can_i_have_a_step_by_step_on_how_to_use_ddu_to/

I'll follow them (I know you'll call bullshit on it, you'll say something is wrong, something is missing, because that's just what you do but since you didn't give me clear instructions how to do DDU, I have to do what I can based on what I find online).

Okay, I also went here - https://www.amd.com/en/support/grap...es/amd-radeon-r9-300-series/amd-radeon-r9-380

And downloaded the "Auto-Detect and Install" program. It says:

For use with systems equipped with AMD Radeon™ discrete desktop graphics, mobile graphics, or AMD processors with Radeon graphics. This tool is designed to detect the model of AMD graphics card and the version of Microsoft® Windows© installed in your system, and then provide the option to download and install the latest official AMD driver package that is compatible with your system. Download and run directly onto the system you want to update. An internet connection is required to run the tool.

I know you'll say that's wrong too. But if it is, well, then you're just gonna have to take a hammer and a nail and create these mythical "problem solving working" drivers that I need

Okay? Okay. Ready, Set, Go!!!

It is straightforward to delete drivers with DDU. They also have an option to select so it prevents windows to auto install those outdated drivers.

If you just google your GPU and Driver you would be sent to the first link where drivers from 21/1/2020 are available which is:
https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/beta/win10-radeon-software-adrenalin-2020-edition-20.1.3-jan20.exe

The above link is for Windows 10 x64 ... I am not sure what you are using so if you have any other... then download from here:

https://www.amd.com/en/support/grap...es/amd-radeon-r9-300-series/amd-radeon-r9-380

But okay.. I guess you know what you are doing. I would avoid the auto detect.

Scorpion Ghost said:

Okay I downloaded DDU from here - https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2608

That post was created on 14 of Dec 2019, so I would imagine it's the latest version.

I know I know, it's not the correct file and I'm wrong and I'm messing up and all that jazz. But that's what I downloaded to do the DDU.

Proceeding...

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That is the latest DDU. Simply boot into safe mode, use DDU to uninstall drivers (select AMD and clean install), it will auto reboot and then you simply install the above driver which I've sent the link if you want the latest one.

Visual Eagle said:

Well now you are without any drivers... I would avoid checking task manager for GPU and CPU related things as there are other softwares out there...

It should show like this if you have everything installed correctly (I assume you would be checking task manager).

MAKE SURE YOU USE DDU I wont be repeating myself ... if you encounter problems and didnt use DDU dont ask em for help.

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Okay I downloaded DDU from here - https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2608

That post was created on 14 of Dec 2019, so I would imagine it's the latest version.

I know I know, it's not the correct file and I'm wrong and I'm messing up and all that jazz. But that's what I downloaded to do the DDU.

Proceeding...

Scorpion Ghost said:

Okay I downloaded DDU from here - https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2608

That post was created on 14 of Dec 2019, so I would imagine it's the latest version.

I know I know, it's not the correct file and I'm wrong and I'm messing up and all that jazz. But that's what I downloaded to do the DDU.

Proceeding...

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Wagnar even has his own tutorial written for the software which can be found at: https://www.wagnardsoft.com/content/ddu-guide-tutorial

Visual Eagle said:

It is straightforward to delete drivers with DDU. They also have an option to select so it prevents windows to auto install those outdated drivers.

If you just google your GPU and Driver you would be sent to the first link where drivers from 21/1/2020 are available which is:
https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/beta/win10-radeon-software-adrenalin-2020-edition-20.1.3-jan20.exe

But okay.. I guess you know what you are doing. I would avoid the auto detect.

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But of course you would. And had I gotten the driver you would say you would avoid the driver and would use the auto detect. Why you do these things? hahahahaa just kidding

AHA! I got you now! I did check that driver first, and I checked which versions it's compatible with, and my GPU is NOT LISTED! What say you now?

Look at the release notes - https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-20-1-3

Can you see "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 380" there? I don't. And that's why I got the auto-detect program.

So what now?

Visual Eagle said:

Wagnar even has his own tutorial written for the software which can be found at: https://www.wagnardsoft.com/content/ddu-guide-tutorial

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Okay I understand. The tutorial I found was crap, and I should use the one you found. Got it, I'll do that.

Before even opening that link I bet the one you shared is 100 times more complicated than the one I found.

Scorpion Ghost said:

But of course you would. And had I gotten the driver you would say you would avoid the driver and would use the auto detect. Why you do these things? hahahahaa just kidding

AHA! I got you now! I did check that driver first, and I checked which versions it's compatible with, and my GPU is NOT LISTED! What say you now?

Look at the release notes - https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-20-1-3

Can you see "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 380" there? I don't. And that's why I got the auto-detect program.

So what now?

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DUDE... That is the pref method always to install new drivers and never update them as it could lead to problems in the future but okay what do I know. I am opening a repair shop this year so its something I must know to not waste my time fixing clients PCs.

If they are displayed on the support page of 380 ... they should work, shouldn't they? Maybe they just forgot to copy and paste the compatibility list.

Visual Eagle said:

DUDE... That is the pref method always to install new drivers and never update them as it could lead to problems in the future but okay what do I know. I am opening a repair shop this year so its something I must know to not waste my time fixing clients PCs.

If they are displayed on the support page of 380 ... they should work, shouldn't they? Maybe they just forgot to copy and paste the compatibility list.

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Yeah but how should I know? I can't smell my fingers and know if they will work or not. I don't shoot in the dark.

I checked the release notes and my GPU version was not listed.

Then I decided to get the Auto-detect software, because the auto detect software looked like a sure thing.

It was the right course of action.

But I'll follow you to the letter. I'll use that driver and the tutorial you shared and everything. Doing it now.