Okay, let's see here...
Yay! Congrats!
I don't know how it looks in Serbia but I know how it looks in Poland. So when you are buying property from a developer you have an official apartment/house handover. So basically you can go there for the first time and you can show every construction defect, and then you are both writing hand-over protocol. You have a document sign by a developer that the company will fix every construction defect e.g in 30 days. I have done this 2 times in my life and every time I hired an expert so he can go with me and check every single hole and scratch (last time he found around 20 minor construction defects, most of them like scratches on windows, doors).
But even after an official apartment/house handover most of the things in a property like doors, windows, walls, pipes, etc they have a warranty at a certain time. So please check if there are such possibilities in your case.
And now breath in and breath out .... everything will be fine Nino, you made it, that's all matters! I'm so proud of you!
Thank you
I'll be getting the keys in a week or two. Then I'll take a good look at everything and see if anything needs fixing. But I took a glance real quick yesterday, and other than the little door problem everything else shines.
If the final contract isn't ready .. then do nothing for now.
Wait until all is ready, check if there's anything broken, scratched or something, and give them the list before the final sign..
But listen an advice from a guy, who got his apartment finished some months ago .. Prepare for a lot of things like this before you enter your apartment. Just don't rush, drink some whiskey and think about it calmly how to resolve it.
Yeah, that's the plan. It's all good. The hard part is over anyway.
is whiskey the answer of all your problem people? hhahh cause im confused no matter what the case (good or bad) it is, the whiskey is there.
Whiskey is good... vodka is better!
Exactly like
@Georgi said. Hope you have some deadline in your contract, and some quality milestones. Just stumble something related, when the buyer (like you), enforced the seller with a lawyer because the seller started to delay the working so the measures were taken and he did the work but not before doing some shitty claims. So, it's in vain if you call him and tell him that's his job cause he will not giving a flying *** about you and your apartment. Prepare for the worst, expect for the best.
I don't have a deadline in the contract. Because I didn't really have any urgency to it.
And the building is the 4th in a line of 5 buildings. It's a serious project, and I really thought that since they already finished the other 3 buildings, they'll finish mine in time too. You know, they already know what they're doing and who is doing it.
But then corona happened, and now there's an excuse for a delay. And the excuse may not be entirely bullshit. But it is kinda bullshit, because construction work wasn't really affected by the lockdowns, not much. But on the other hand the import/export situation was negatively affected, so who knows if they could get all the materials in time. I don't know.
But they'll be fixing anything that needs to be fixed before I make the final payment and sign the final contract.
It's not about what others (we) think it's right for you, but what you think.
I can turn on maximum polite mood and elaborate why any other (opposite) option is good.
It is always about how you feel, and you have chosen the wrong method to let your frustration out.
That should be done via the call, and you already know it.
The moment he told you about main worker number bs, you should react, but you choose to be pussy and silent in the call.
Now you came to flame the guy here, so you made a pussy move for sure. It's because you're gamma male, not alpha, not beta.
Gamma is nothing bad, it is similar to alpha, just even better at some occasions, but not this one (in your case)
You might be afraid to lose something or whatever, but if you are buying legit, you should not worry about the details too much.
Everything has to be done the way you want in a timely manner, else the other party is in trouble.
I feel that the only way to do something right is to do it yourself
But since I'm not a construction worker, I can't do it myself. So I have to put up with certain annoyances, like the one I made this post about.
I never called the guy. I sent him a message. I'm not a fan of talking on the phone. I especially hate people calling me on the phone out of the blue. Because it means I have to stop what I'm doing and focus all my attention on the phone call. Like, don't call me out of the blue, it's an invasion of privacy!
I chose a good method to let my frustrations out. I put it here, got your opinions. I gave it a day, slept on it. And now it's all good.
The mistake I made was getting frustrated about this at all. It doesn't fucking matter. Some glue on a door? Jesus christ dude, it doesn't fucking matter. So people that told me to chill were actually right. I had a weird day yesterday, I was on edge, I snapped for no reason. It happens
I don't know about that alpha beta gamma bullshit, but okay. Whatever floats your boat bro.
I'm buying legit, of course. As legit as it gets. You know. It's all legit in the eyes of the law. But I would rather not kill the deal because if I do I'm getting back cash. And then what the fuck do I do with it? It sits in a bank, inflation is devaluing it, and I'm starting again looking for an apartment. I have no time for that now. I just wanna get the apartment and "freeze" some money there. Then I live in it or rent it out, and it's all good.
OP is not married so if he gets some hookers for like a day of his panel revenue there will definitely be some more scratches anyways
So it depends on OP's lifestyle.
He should not worry anyways.
Depends on the day. Some days I can only afford 1 hooker.
hahhahahaa
Dudeee... just hire someone to fix it.
It's not a wp site, it's an apartment. Shit happens. The one I bought didn't even have the paint (it still doesn't, we will do it later. Also, they said this upfront.. no point blaming them) and I still had to pay $55k
Be happy that you bought it. How big is it? What are the amenities?
Congrats btw.
Now you can have lots of firefox tabs I guess.
Oh, and.. welcome to the club.
No, they'll fix it.
I'm all good when things happen the way we agreed. But we agreed on the apartment being ready by the end of last year, and it wasn't, so the agreement is already broken, and nothing can fix that other than a time machine
It's about 55 square meters. 1st floor. Near the center of the city, but not in the center.
What do you mean amenities? The apartment comes empty, they only put a water heater and a sink and a toilet and a mirror and a shower in the bathroom. Other than that the apartment is completely empty.
I already have lots of Firefox tabs
None of this methods bhw is suggesting you is gonna work
listen to me man
spend an additional 1000$ and hire some street rat to beat the developer to the death
after that i guarantee you the dev will sort your job
plus you will feel sooo much better
good luck with new house
hope you build a great harem there or if you are not married
Well hold on. There's no need to beat anybody to death. The guy didn't do anything to me.
$1,000 dollars? I'd rather keep that money and use it for something else.
I'll consider the harem thing. Good idea. Keep them coming!
Nice. I wanted to live alone for the rest of my life but now I might change my mind...I think I found "the one". Real alpha man, that's something! If you are not available at least I will have wet dreams tonight.
Seriously your comment was unnecessary.
Well, whose responsibility is it to find a great professional to buy from? Especially in the housing business, which is a complete and utter jungle.
It's really important to do your homework before, if you have quality demands.
I did my due diligence.
I bought an apartment from a well-established developer company. The building is 1 out of 5 buildints, all done together in a row. And when I bought the place they had already completed the first 3 buildings. So I felt good that they wouldn't just drop the project mid-way and disappear.
I also hired a lawyer, threw some cash at him and had him check the company, whether they have debt, if they have all the licenses for the buildings, etc.
I also went to one of the other buildings that was finished and checked a few apartments inside, and everything looked very good.
I had my cousin who is an architect check the specs on the building. Like isolation, wall thickness, all that shit. And she said it's all good, done by EU standards. So she gave the green light.
Anyway, I did all I could other than taking out my crystal ball and looking into the future to see what's gonna happen
In life, you need to be and alpha and beta and gamma
and of course, you have to balance em, like everything else in life.
Example: seeing alpha who wants to fight but you can escape it without damage or your ego hurt = escape it, be beta
Our guy got right to be mad, but his lack of alpha made him ultra beta in this conversation
Since I saw his posting and know his mindset, because he share his mindset daily at BHW, his profile is gamma and beta, but mostly gamma
Gamma because he is capable to feed 10 mouths, and because he love to spend time alone, working, doing his shit, thinking... that is pure gamma
That's nothing bad nor negative..
By the way, if you are free female just send me PM (I am very available)
I'll be a beta all day if it keeps me out of prison, out of the hospital, out of having to deal with cops and courts.
But it always depends on how you feel at the moment when shit happens, and which lines were crossed and for what reasons. And I guess it also depends who and how many are standing against you.
But I don't wanna be fighting anyone. I wanna have a nice day and make money, all day every day.
We'll fight if there's a war, and I can't get out of it. Then we can fight
I agree with a few other comments that you might need to chill out a bit. I understand that you're not completely satisfied, but you still have a final payment as leverage and it's just a quick door fix. Relax and hold the money until they're done.
Yeah, this is actually the best course of action.
There's no reason to raise hell or be upset over nothing. I overreacted.
Perfect! Of course I will! Whenever I will be available....
Now I can finally go to sleep.
Sleep well
I could. Then again, what do I do with the money? Bitcoin?
There's a law around here that if you sell your apartment, you have to buy a new apartment within 1 or 2 months if you don't want to pay 10% or 15% tax to the government.
Because if you sell and keep the cash, they consider it as "income" and wanna tax you on it. But if you sell and buy a new place, for the same price or higher, than you didn't really make a profit, so there's no tax.
I won't be selling it. Let it sit, I finally have a place to put my stuff in. Even if I rent it out, I keep the basement and put my stuff there. I never had My Own place to put my stuff in. So I need this.
Hahaha, this is so funny.
CONGRATS and welcome to the home ownership glitzy world. Yeah, it’s ok if you find a scratch or whatever. It is a new place, you may find bigger issues later so keep your relationship with the seller at the best you can.
Thank you. It's all good.
Check your contract, if you have one
if you brought it new, you should be expecting a brand new house, all comestic damages needs to be replaced and sorted.
My previous house had one of my bathrooms with paint and glue on the toliet seats, i made them replace it.
as for supposed to be ready, check contract if there anything on agreed completion/settle date, for my house im building currently, they have an end date of july, everyday over the developers are paying me \o/
There's nothing in the contract about a completion date. But even if there was, they could probably use "Corona" as a perfect excuse for the delay. I mean that to me personally and legally.
Say if we had a set completion date and it wasn't done by then, and I decided to take some legal action. I betcha a court would agree that Corona created a special situation and so the delay is justified.
But if I ever buy some real estate in the building phase, I'm not getting into it without a set completion date specified in the contract. Keep people accountable.
Cool bro, Sometimes these things happens a contractor/developer have sub contractor to take care of works to finish the work on time
They will surely fix it, developer should have taken care of this issue with some positive replies but he is in hurry think so
Call developer once again and ask to fix
It'll be fixed. The developer isn't exactly the poster child of professionalism. But it's to be expected. We hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Waste of money and throwing it away is like buying real estate with around 1.5% to 2% rental yield one gets on real estate in our city. If I wanted then I will invest in REITS funds than giving a moron money for his house to purchase it. Why should I give a moron the money for his house when we knows the real value of houses during 1960 to 1970. Idiots filled in the world does this.
I need to have a place. One place on the planet where I can go, and no one can kick me out or ask me for rent or make me feel bad or unwelcome. One place where I can put my shit.
And now I got it, almost.
Next time around, if I buy more real estate someday, that will be done very differently. My demands, sense of urgency, experience, it will be way different.
You are an Indian
Isn't it,
Tell me isn't it
I'm not an Indian... sir!
$60,000 for an apartment? Sounds like a deal.
I will share some experience.
When I was in the military MANY years ago, a friend of mine was having a house built.
So whats the deal? You sign papers. They build it. You move in. You give them a list of things to fix. They fix them.
So why was my friend going to the site EVERY SINGLE DAY to see how they are doing?
I learned by watching.
You MUST monitor, watch and continually complain if something is not being done the way it was supposed to. They will take shortcuts, leave things undone and do anything they think the dumb owners will never see. You have to be in their face. Then they will see you are serious and start working correctly.
YOU should have been doing this the whole time.
Once I was living in the central part of the state. I walked around new homes being built. Once I saw a concrete lintel over the sliding glass door, that had a CRACK in it and they just DUCT TAPED IT!. Another time I saw them dump the frames for the roof IN A PUDDLE, UNCOVERED. Later I looked at the roof before it was dry walled. The frames were BENT AND WARPED. Those morons still used them.
Never trust contractors. Always verify
Sincerely, The Eye
Maybe I should have, but I have work to do. I work a lot, I don't have the time to be hanging out at a construction site monitoring shit that I don't really know anything about. And do that for 1,5 year? No way. I wasn't even living in the same town, so all I could do is visit the apartment and see the progress once in a blue moon.
I guess if you buy an already made apartment and then you're gonna fix it up, then you can monitor things every step of the way. But again, time time time, never enough time.
That foreign mentality of 'let it slide' is seeping into the US of America
North America is the only place I been in the world where the customer is always right first
Not sure where you're at but I think you asking him to do his job and providing good service is not a bad idea. You're actually helping him learn a valuable lesson. Steel sharpens steel.
If it really bothers you that is.
Nah, I don't think I'm helping anyone learn anything. You either do it right or you don't, especially when you're over 50+ years old.
I'm not dealing with some young person here who may be introspective and learn something and improve going forward. I'm dealing with people already set in their ways... probably alcoholics haha
I wouldn't care I guess. Such a small thing, if I let it bother me, I will find more problems and more later and never be happy.
Instead, I would find a way to accept it and enjoy it. Now, when you are drunk, you always know your door is scratched so you don't walk into the wrong apartment.
No problem.
lol
I'd worry more about rebar and concrete than scratches on doors. A door can be replaced if you don't like it. Weak concrete, not reinforced can kill you.
Well, seeing as I can't test the concrete, I can't worry about that one.
But I had the place checked before I bought it, and things should be done up to EU standards. And the company building the apartments has been around for a long time and have done many projects in more than 1 country. So everything should be okay.
You are mistaking two things. When you are building a house individually, on your own, you should do everything as you wrote. But when you are buying from a developer it doesn't look like this. Especially when you are buying an apartment. No one will allow you to go there every single day and waste their time. Here in Europe, we don't build houses and buildings from toothpicks! It's really heavy stuff, hollow bricks etc. Huge cranes and heavy machines are everywhere. It's a matter of safety, if something would happen to you there, the developer would have huge problems! Of course, they will allow you to go there, but you need to go there, on special terms, every single time with someone from the developer's side and with a special outfit (safety helmet).
Of course, when you are building a house individually you have this advantage that you can check everything, you can build a house however you want. When my father was building his house he was there all day checking everything. He spent a huge amount of time there. But he is on his retirement so he had time for this.I don't have time for this.
The second thing: If you want to build a house on your own, you need to buy land before. Prices of the land are insane usually. If I would buy land in my area I would need to pay almost like for a small apartment. My father bought land in my area for $50 000, and it was an occasion! Normally he should pay $75 000, but the seller needed money ASAP so he was selling for a special price. Developers buy huge pieces of land on special terms for special prices.
So before I bought a house from a developer I checked everything, reviews about them on the internet and on the market, their financial situation, I checked legal stuff, what will be built in the future in the area, if the developer has any debts, I talked even with the neighbours who bought their houses before me if they are happy to live there. Most developers want to give you the best outcome because if something will go wrong their reputation on the market will be ruined.
In the first contract, the developer added specification, how the house will be built, what technology will be used etc. Few pages about what bricks they will use, how thick walls will be, you have there everything, every single detail. Also, they added paragraphs about contractual penalties just in case they would be late. So basically they would pay me for every single day of delay in building my house. Trust me, this document is very complicated so you need to check everything a few times.
Of course, I went there 2-3 times a week to check progress but not to coordinate their work, I know something about this but I am not a building contractor. Although I have to admit guys who were building my house and now the crew who are finishing everything indoor, they know they can't mess up with me even though I am a tiny woman
I also hired every two months an expert who went there and checked progress in a professional way (he gave me after this report about every single detail, the last one has 25 pages).
Like I wrote before on the official handover I also hired an expert and he spent there with me 4 hours and he checked EVERYTHING. If walls are straight, if the roof is built properly, if the doors and windows have certificates, if they did everything according to our first contract (specification). The guy was all dirty after this because he was lying on the floor, climbing on the roof, he had all special tools, lasers to check everything properly etc.
I'm extremely happy with the outcome, I even went after the official handover to the lady from the developer's office with flowers and wine to thank her for everything (she gave me a nice discount at the beginning
).
Great comment. I have nothing to add. You really do your due diligence don't you
By calling you won’t become smaller, you can get the worker to come on site and do extra work and even polish some more stuff, you get his direct contact which means you could deploy him directly if you buy another Appartment and save extra dollars you would pay his boss. This is a blessing in disguise
I doubt that. I ain't buying another apartment, not in this country anyway.
