BlackHat Article Scheme?

This is just a question, or more of a vote on what people think as their opinions. Being as this is a black hat forum, I have been pondering this idea because I write articles and have TONS of them built up that I've custom created for clients. They've all been delivered to the clients, but I was trying to think of something to do with them instead of having them all sit on my computer.

Long story short, the question is, if I were to submit the articles to somewhere like associated content, or I think hubpages pays out also for a unique article being submitted, right as I delivered the same articles to my clients, neither would be tracked as copied, because it wouldn't be indexed yet. So if I were to submit them all to sites that pay up front for articles, I could essentially be making an extra few bucks per article, because I'd be getting paid twice.

My only question here is one, what are the chances of a client finding this out if they're a long term buyer, not just a one time sale? And two, even though this is obviously not that ethical, has anyone attempted this before and would you recommend doing it?

Please don't reply with things like, "that's illegal, unethical, hurtful, mean, etc." This is a black hat forum, so I'm asking about a black hat method...Thanks!

You know, just because this is a black hat forum doesn't it mean that we're doing unethical and illegal things. Just think how you would feel if your article writer would do the same for you, and then decide what to do.

Twixx said:

You know, just because this is a black hat forum doesn't it mean that we're doing unethical and illegal things. Just think how you would feel if your article writer would do the same for you, and then decide what to do.

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It doesn't mean YOU do those things, but many of us have tested the waters there before. In regards to what I'd think about it if it was done to me, it really wouldn't make much of a difference. Content is always duplicated and recycled, so it actually looks more natural and looks as though the content creator spurred popularity and sharing amongst other sites on the internet...

Places like Associated Content will check if the article is posted elsewhere before they'll accept it, and any buyer will (most likely) check if it's posted elsewhere. Neither are likely to publish it the second you send it to them, so one is likely to realise it's a duplicate. It might work sometimes when AC and the client both publish at the same time, but 90% of the time it won't work.

Also, you'll end up losing clients - is it worth risking a recurring contract with a client for a couple of extra bucks?

If you're not earning enough from your articles then increase your prices. If your writing is good enough then clients will be happy to pay it, if not then maybe writing isn't for you. No need to scam anyone (which is what this would be, scamming, which is different from black hat)

dcuthbert said:

Places like Associated Content will check if the article is posted elsewhere before they'll accept it, and any buyer will (most likely) check if it's posted elsewhere. Neither are likely to publish it the second you send it to them, so one is likely to realise it's a duplicate. It might work sometimes when AC and the client both publish at the same time, but 90% of the time it won't work.

Also, you'll end up losing clients - is it worth risking a recurring contract with a client for a couple of extra bucks?

If you're not earning enough from your articles then increase your prices. If your writing is good enough then clients will be happy to pay it, if not then maybe writing isn't for you. No need to scam anyone (which is what this would be, scamming, which is different from black hat)

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That's why I said do it with one time clients as opposed to long term ones...BTW "black hat" is scamming the system just FYI

Just my 2 cents in the ring: Don't screw paying customers.

They trusted you to create unique content and not publish it (making it duplicate content).

If a writer did this shit to me, I'd make damn sure their name was posted everywhere about how they operate. Imagine someone searches your business or your name and sees you publish work you were paid to deliver. I imagine the amount you could make off AC or other sites won't replace the money you'll lose in new orders.

If you want to bank off AC or others after you did the research for an article then just rewrite the bloody thing and publish it. You're more likely to get it through the filters and not suffer the paying customer any harm.

just my 2 cents

Oh and don't say BHW = scamming. Scamming = stealing in my book. Steal from BHW members and you'll be on the outside looking in.

kvmcable said:

Just my 2 cents in the ring: Don't screw paying customers.

They trusted you to create unique content and not publish it (making it duplicate content).

If a writer did this shit to me, I'd make damn sure their name was posted everywhere about how they operate. Imagine someone searches your business or your name and sees you publish work you were paid to deliver. I imagine the amount you could make off AC or other sites won't replace the money you'll lose in new orders.

If you want to bank off AC or others after you did the research for an article then just rewrite the bloody thing and publish it. You're more likely to get it through the filters and not suffer the paying customer any harm.

just my 2 cents

Oh and don't say BHW = scamming. Scamming = stealing in my book. Steal from BHW members and you'll be on the outside looking in.

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No need to get heated, I was just bringing up the idea as a talking point to see what people thought. Clearly people are getting extremely upset over the matter.

Thanks for the input though.

I disagree about scamming being stealing though...just my opinion

I have mentioned variations on what the OP has suggested over the years. The main issue is to be subtle in the approach, not blatantly publish content to the web twice, such that it (ranking wise) hurts the client's instance of posting unique content you wrote for them. If you write ten related articles on a topic to Yahoo Voices, those articles can be combined and turned into an ebook or e-course you promote elsewhere (sell the ebook in zip or rar form, so as to not post it such that it is readable on the web). Or convert the text into audio or video format, which again allows you to use it while keeping the content unique from the vantage point of where it was published as text. So the core idea is workable, it just needs to be creatively applied.

zebrahat said:

I have mentioned variations on what the OP has suggested over the years. The main issue is to be subtle in the approach, not blatantly publish content to the web twice, such that it (ranking wise) hurts the client's instance of posting unique content you wrote for them. If you write ten related articles on a topic to Yahoo Voices, those articles can be combined and turned into an ebook or e-course you promote elsewhere (sell the ebook in zip or rar form, so as to not post it such that it is readable on the web). Or convert the text into audio or video format, which again allows you to use it while keeping the content unique from the vantage point of where it was published as text. So the core idea is workable, it just needs to be creatively applied.

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Ahh I like that idea...good thinking with the conversion so as to prevent it being readable via spiders.

The only problem I would have with this is the fact that you do not own the article...plain and simple. The customer paid for the article therefore owns the content. Not saying its fraud, blah, blah blah, Its just plain and simple Shitty way to do business.

Would it be possible to spin the articles enough that they were not duplicates and sell them out that way. It would still be the same topic but a totally different article, which would be the same as writing a new article for a new client on the same topic. IMO

Get he fck out of this forum with your sick mindset.

snowman19 said:

That's why I said do it with one time clients as opposed to long term ones...BTW "black hat" is scamming the system just FYI

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Black hat is bending the rules to gain an unfair advantage. Scamming people out of money by claiming to sell them something then selling them something different is fraud (ie claiming to sell unique content then selling duplicate content)

You'll find the majority of members here, even those into black hat activities, are strictly against fraud and scamming.

mikeydell said:

The only problem I would have with this is the fact that you do not own the article...plain and simple. The customer paid for the article therefore owns the content. Not saying its fraud, blah, blah blah, Its just plain and simple Shitty way to do business.

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What the buyer specifically owns, paid for, or is concerned about, is unique text content for SEO ranking purposes. Other variations, transformations or iterations of the article should not be his concern, so long as it's not SE robot-readable on the Web. The multi-use of the material is a way to exponentially maximize business, when done creatively and carefully.

zebrahat said:

What the buyer specifically owns, paid for, or is concerned about, is unique text content for SEO ranking purposes. Other variations, transformations or iterations of the article should not be his concern, so long as it's not SE robot-readable on the Web. The multi-use of the material is a way to exponentially maximize business, when done creatively and carefully.

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That I could go along with. If the articles were not SE robot readable.

OP, I'm not going to flame you, but -- yes -- this is unethical. It's wrong. And it will get you blacklisted as a writer faster than you can say "copyscape".

That being said, there are perfectly fair ways to leverage the content you've written for clients:

1) Spin the content; use different keywords
2) Keep the article as-is for 12 months, 9 months, 6 months ... whatever you feel comfortable with. Put it through Copyscape. If it comes out clean, that means the client never used it during that time. (For me, after a year, it's fair game.)
3) Lastly, keywords. Use 'em if you want. Research already done. No one can stop you from competing. Black hat is black hat!

This is a black way..