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BHW user UNKNOWNN Scammed me for $1000

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by tywebb, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    I didnt want to have to do this but I have been getting the runaround for too long. BHW user unknownn (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/25441-unknownn.html) took $1000 from me over a year ago for some leads and never delivered them. I had some problems, he had some problems and it never worked out. I asked for a refund and he said he would send it.

    THIS WAS OVER A YEAR AGO.

    Since then I have been getting excuse after excuse and promise after promise of my payment. First it was paypal, I sent him my address, he said it was on the way, never sent it. Then he asked for my bank info, i sent him that, said it would be there in 1 week, said he sent it and it would show tomorrow, never showed. Then it was he started a new business and needed the cash flow for a lil while. I was cool with that and said OK ill give you some more time. Came back and got the same run around for months. The he had the flu, etc etc etc etc etc.

    See some of the PMs I have received below after asking over and over and over for my refund for services never delivered....


    9-30-11
    2-07-12
    2-07-12
    2-23-12
    3-08-12
    4-06-12
    NOW HE ASKED ME TO GIVE HIM SOME TIME BECAUSE HE WAS STARTING ANEW BUSINESS AND I DID TRIED CONTACTING HIM FOR MONTHS WITH NO REPLY

    2-09-13
    2-25-13 After I asked if my refund would be coming this week

    2-28-13 (Still not seeing it

    3-07-13
    SENT HIM ALL MY INFO FOR THE 10TH TIME AND STILL HAVENT HEARD A WORD BACK FROM HIM SINCE.

    I have many Skype and email transcripts also with empty promise after promise.

    I had worked with this guy in the past without problems. I have been chasing this money for over a year and giving him the benefit of the doubt many times. I am sick of chasing.

    He no longer replies to my PM's or emails and is nowhere to be found on skype.

    Unless he clears this up with me I would suggest not doing business with this guy.

    Mods if you could help me out in any way with this it would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    Updated original post with link at top.
     
  3. Furious George

    Furious George Supreme Member Premium Member

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    Why did you give him so long? No offense... and it looks like you got ripped here, but.... why so long on the refund?
     
  4. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    I know man. i dunno I was just giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. Shit does happen. I had worked with him in the past 1000's worth of business so i really thought he was a stand up guy. Business was going pretty good for me so the $1000 wasnt a HUGE issue at the time. I did contact by PM IM or Skype at least once a month with a reminder.

    What was i supposed to do? I figured a shitlist thread may burn the bridge and i would never get paid. I was always promised it was right around the corner so I never got too threatening with a shitlist thread.

    I hear where you are coming from but after paypal dispute time was over I wasnt left with many options but to just hope he was telling the truth with all those promises.
     
  5. Furious George

    Furious George Supreme Member Premium Member

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    Makes sense.

    If you've done business with him in the past, could you get him to trade you and compensate for this?
     
  6. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    Ya tried that too, but he just said he would send me money, which I would have preferred anyway.

    I would take services at this point. But I cant get any kind of response.
     
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  7. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    My thoughts exactly.

    Nevertheless, I have sent a PM to Unknownn and gave him 48 hours to
    come forward on this thread and give his side of the story. If I see
    that he has logged on within that time frame and has not come
    forward to make an attempt to resolve this matter, it will be assumed
    that he is avoiding the issue, and as a result, his BHW account will
    be terminated.

    @tywebb: Contact me after the 48 hours are over and let me know
    if he has or has not made any attempt to reach you.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
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  8. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    NOTE TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

    If you are not involved in this matter, please do not make any comments
    on this thread. Shit List threads are not created for the entertainment of
    our members. They are serious matters and should be treated as such.

    Thank you In Advance For Your Cooperation.

    "Wiz"
     
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  9. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    How is one able to see when a user last logged in? Or is that just something mods can see? I cant seem to find that info on his profile page.
     
  10. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    UNKNOWNN is now pemanently banned.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
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  11. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    This is the first time I have ever done this, but today I received a PM
    from one of my fellow moderators who sent me a copy of an email he
    received from UNKNOWNN. As stated previously in this thread, I banned
    UNKNOWNN. However, I read the message he sent in which he asked to
    be unbanned so that he can give his side of the story. I am going to do
    that now.

    Below is a copy of UNKNOWNN's Message:

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    'Hello just read today the email from tywebb with the link to the shitlist.I'm right at the moment in Paraguay till friday evening and only have an extremly slow internet connection here (alto Chaco).I also can't read the PM Wizgizmo sent to me after remote access my comp and also can't find a notification about it on my email account.

    Its true that i owe Jason $950 but the posted story is not 100% true since he forgot to mention that he didnt wanted the money at the beginning as i offered him instant refund but told me to wait till he can go on with business.After that he disappeared for over half a year.However it will be fixed this weekend when i'm back home in europe.

    It would be nice if you could also unban me so i can communicate with you guys on the weekend.

    Just wanted to inform you guys.

    P.S i also emailed Jason that i will be back in Europe on friday evening'


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    With the above-mentioned in mind, I am now going to unban UNKNOWNN
    and allow him to come forward to offer his side of the story and possibly
    come to some type of resolution.

    As he stated in his message, he will be showing up here some time
    this weekend.

    There is a fair amount of money involved in this, so I am going to
    allow him to come forth and state his case sometime this weekend.
    After that, I will make a final decision.

    NOTE TO ALL: This is between tywebb and UNKNOWNN, and it will be
    moderated by me. I would like ALL OTHERS to refrain from posting any
    comments on this thread unless you have had some type of issue in
    the past with UNKNOWNN and feel that your information will be of value.
    However, I must warn you that you absolutely must provide proof of any
    accusations or your reply will be deleted and an infraction will be issued.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
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  12. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    I hope this can be resolved. I honestly need the money right now. Thats the whole point of this thread.

    I do ask this. Unknownn if you do respond to this thread with any type of chat logs or emails please edit any personal information out (email address, skype name, paypal address, etc).

    Thanks.
     
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  13. unknownn

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    I'm not going to research any chatlogs etc as i do not have the time right at the moment and as i also never denied that i owe you the $950 but the posted thread puts a bad light on me like i wanted to scam you which is just not true.

    As you mentioned we made in the past good business and both of us made good money and you sent $1000 via paypal for additional leads.You asked to stop sending leads.I instantly asked you if you want a refund which you denied as you said you prefer to get the leads.After your sponsor was up again i had an issue because of an update and asked again if you want an instant refund.Later when i resolved the update issue your sponsor was down again and you said once again to wait till your sponsor is up.So i never tried to scam you.

    What happened is that you went offline for a very long time (over 6 months i guess) and after that time contacted me on skype if i could refund you the $1000 (- $50 paypal fee) for the leads you prepaid for.
    Since i never delivered it i instantly agreed but asked you to wait a bit since i bought 2 diffrent farmlands where one purchase made me big headache because of the non legal title and which took all of my reserve and a bit more.You agreed.
    I organized the money on my paypal account i guess after 1 or 2 weeks but you were again offline for a longer time i guess 1-2 months.

    After that also other staff happened which i do not want to post in public but i will send a PM to you and to Wiz with that info.


    I'm also today the whole day on skype and waiting for you so we can fix it today
     
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  14. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    @unknownn:

    Thank you for coming forward. Now let's wait to see what tywebb has to say.

    Hoping to get this resolved in an amicable way . . .

    "Wiz"
     
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    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    @unknownn:

    You have until Monday evening to come to some type of agreement
    with tywebb. I will be checking back on this thread periodically to see
    what has developed.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
  16. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Below, is a PM that I just received from UNKNOWNN:

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    "Just wanted to inform you i was the whole day online
    today on BHW and skype and no contact from tywebb."


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    So, at this point, UNKNOWNN is making an attempt to
    work this out and now "tywebb" is missing-in-action.

    If tywebb does not show more diligence soon, I will
    be inclined to throw this whole matter out. I have
    a tremendous amount of duties as a moderator, so
    it is important that this matter is resolved ASAP.

    Thank You - "Wiz"
     
  17. unknownn

    unknownn BANNED BANNED

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    No contact.
    Will check tomorrow the board/skype
     
  18. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    I just talked to Unknownn for a bit on skype. I am not online all the time so I would prefer to communicate by email. He has my email address. It seems were in the middle of possibly working something out and he popped offline. Im not sure what happened. Unknownn please find me on Skype again or if I am not online lets communicate by email.

    Sorry for the delay in responding. I had email notifications for replies to this thread and PMs set to "ON" but for some reason I didnt get any emails? Weird...

    Thanks.
     
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    unknownn BANNED BANNED

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    resolved
     
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  20. tywebb

    tywebb Regular Member

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    OK.....

    I have talked with unknownn and worked out a payment plan. I am hoping this works out.

    1st payment is supposed to be coming Thursday. I will update on the status then.
     
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