BHW - 5 Years Experience. - Ups & Downs

Hi Guys,

I know many of you will move on to next thread after reading few lines as this one is going to be little boring, but its fine. I joined BHW in 2012. Met with some really cool guys. I was doing a job when i joined BHW and was making around $200 per month. Then I started learning some stuff here and started making good money. from $200 a month to i went to $15k a month within year. Method i was using was not a long term. And i knew i should try few other things before this method goes down.

So i got in touch with Bigbuddy. We started a Small project. I think he started with around 20-30 people. We all were in a skype group related to amazon affiliates. That Project was a minor success but still blackhat. So he contacted me one day asking to Join in for a major project. At that time BB was well known BHWer Moderator and Being a less known person here, i accepted his offer.

Project was to start a gaming APP which will make millions if we spend good money initially. Total budget of the app was around 30k USD. and he told me we were 3 partners. Offer was, He will pay us (Me and other partner) 2500 USD for 1 year or 30% of the total profit we will make. I went to meet him as i wanted to make sure i'm not sending money to a scammer. Later he asked to pay 10k USD more for his mother's operation and told me will pay back in few months. I was making good money at that time and as i thought he is BB. i sent 10k USD more.

Many of you already know what happened with BB and his partners. I paid all because i thought i will have an extra income source if my main source goes down. But i was not aware i will never see any money again whatever i paid to him..

After BB. My method was still working in 2015. So i kept making money from that also started some other projects. One of the other Project started giving more money. But that was too kinda blackhat.

in 2016 April. My Main method stopped working. and income came down from 20k to 2k USD. but my other project was doing fine and i was making around 15k from other. So i thought its fine.


In 2017 March. I chose to stop all blackhat methods and planned to do a fresh start with all my saving. I had around 100k USD in savings. But as you know luck not always favors you. I started new white hat methods but failed. Income dropped. I was under the impression that i will start doing good within 6 months as whitehat methods take time.

But now its been over 6 months. I haven't made much money. you can say not more than 1000 USD per month. And i'm bit tensed. I have tried most of the things as per my knowledge. but not even one worked for me. And as i tested some things and failed. I lost around 20K usd.

Now I'm little afraid to try new project as i may fail again and will lose lots of money again. What are your suggestions on this?


Thanks
JP

What is it you don't like about the blackhat side of thing? Couldn't you outsource that?

Panther28 said:

What is it you don't like about the blackhat side of thing? Couldn't you outsource that?

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Actually that cannot be outsourced as method is simple and But requires lot of efforts. This blackhat method is not genuine at all. Even if i want to do it in genuine way. we hire people to do it on % basis. and when they find out that this can be done in blackhat way. they start doing that way as that make them more money.

That's pretty much how it goes in the IM world. Very few things last forever and you gotta find new schemes.

You can go again for the Blackhat methods Palwinder bro which you were using previously and earning good buck.

Whitehat methods take time and also some time they don't revert with that good income which you used to earn with blackhat.

I just wanna say you have something that a lot of us here dont have experiance you"ve done it and you know what works maybe you should got back too what you know even if it is blackhat.

I will do the BH again & again if still working... Get some more money and invest in a good offline business. Not necessarily everything needs to be online. Good luck finding solution to your troubles.

Topiano said:

I will do the BH again & again if still working... Get some more money and invest in a good offline business. Not necessarily everything needs to be online. Good luck finding solution to your troubles.

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It still works and i think it will keep working for next 3-4 more years. But now it involves a lot of risk. and when you reach to a stage when you think that you have enough money to do something else rather than keep doing BH with Great risk which can cost your whole life. then you choose to go with WH.

sam.hunt0710 said:

You can go again for the Blackhat methods Palwinder bro which you were using previously and earning good buck.

Whitehat methods take time and also some time they don't revert with that good income which you used to earn with blackhat.

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Thanks Sam Bhai. But I'm not ready to do that again as i mentioned above it involves great risk.

Plus I made some bad investments which costed me around 50k USD. And now i'm afraid to do any more investments.

So far, I tried to get into Amazon Affiliates, SEO, Web development, Some BPO projects.

With Amazon Affiliates - Purchased some good websites for $500-$600 each. Spent some money to grow them. Waited for 6-8 months to see any results. Nothing worked.

With SEO - i had not clients. So tried upwork, Freelance, other sites to get more clients. but nothing worked.

WIth Web development - I had some great guys who could code anything. But again failed to get even a single project. so that failed too.

With BPO - I invested big money to get started with some major companies. But 90% of people were scammers and ran away with lot of money.



So finally my motivation is zero.

Just out of interest, why didn't you and the other Indian guys who got scammed go after @BigBuddy?
Or were his methods illegal?

Asif WILSON Khan said:

Just out of interest, why didn't you and the other Indian guys who got scammed go after @BigBuddy?
Or were his methods illegal?

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Ya OP, you can come here and solve all issues. Take help of cybercrime or some other legal authorities. Same I will suggest to all people who think BB scammed them.
He is running one office in India, and you can easily grab him.

Regarding your method, I will suggest you to re-start Blackhat. There is no harm doing that!

soccerlover said:

Ya OP, you can come here and solve all issues. Take help of cybercrime or some other legal authorities. Same I will suggest to all people who think BB scammed them.
He is running one office in India, and you can easily grab him.

Regarding your method, I will suggest you to re-start Blackhat. There is no harm doing that!

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I'm from india. His method was not illegal. He was in contact with me for a long time. I never asked him for money because i thought it was safe with him and he will return whenever i will ask. But later when someone shitlisted him. I tried to contact him. He kept on saying he will not scam anyone and will return my whole money.


Sad thing is borrowed money for his mother's operation and i remember once i had my paypal limited. So he suggested me to share his paypal for one payment. Payment was of $2k i think and he never paid back to me that money as well.


I tried to catch him. I visited his office once. I didn't find his address. Other partner didn't show much interest going after BB.

Asif WILSON Khan said:

Just out of interest, why didn't you and the other Indian guys who got scammed go after @BigBuddy?
Or were his methods illegal?

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No His method was no blackhat. We were (actually he and his team) Developing a IOS game app. Which later other partner told me was a big failure and didn't make as much as BB expected. He risked with our money and his experience. I was stupid enough to believe him. Even when i asked him to pay me (After he was shitlisted). He never communicated directly his brother was replying always. but now its been 3 months i got no response from him.

jp_smith86 said:

No His method was no blackhat. We were (actually he and his team) Developing a IOS game app. Which later other partner told me was a big failure and didn't make as much as BB expected. He risked with our money and his experience. I was stupid enough to believe him. Even when i asked him to pay me (After he was shitlisted). He never communicated directly his brother was replying always. but now its been 3 months i got no response from him.

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If it was legit then can't you take him to court or report to police?

Anyway, good luck with your future projects

soccerlover said:

Ya OP, you can come here and solve all issues. Take help of cybercrime or some other legal authorities. Same I will suggest to all people who think BB scammed them.
He is running one office in India, and you can easily grab him.

Regarding your method, I will suggest you to re-start Blackhat. There is no harm doing that!

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And the Kind of blackhat i was doing. There is a big risk involve now. So better i don't do that again.

Asif WILSON Khan said:

If it was legit then can't you take him to court or report to police?

Anyway, good luck with your future projects

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I was like 21 at that time. And from where i come. Its really great if someone in my age making that much money. And no one was there to guide me. So i didn't use right ways to accept that money which i earned. I didn't even fill proper taxes. And i didn't want any trouble for me. So i thought its better not to create more issues for me. I lost the money. Just left it as a good lesson for future.

jp_smith86 said:

So i got in touch with Bigbuddy. We started a Small project.

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OP, I merged some of your posts. Please use the multi-quote feature in the future.

Lessons to be learned here for younger guys trying to do anything blackhat related:

1. Don't trust anybody with your money or your method.

2. Scale your shit until the wheels fall off.

3. Accept the fact that blackhat methods won't stay around for long (hence item 1 and 2)

4. Form a strategy which allows you make enough money to "retire" until the next big project comes (months or years).

5. Staying in this game requires persistence beyond a couple projects failing, so embrace failing.

Elliot305 said:

Lessons to be learned here for younger guys trying to do anything blackhat related:

1. Don't trust anybody with your money or your method.

2. Scale your shit until the wheels fall off.

3. Accept the fact that blackhat methods won't stay around for long (hence item 1 and 2)

4. Form a strategy which allows you make enough money to "retire" until the next big project comes (months or years).

5. Staying in this game requires persistence beyond a couple projects failing, so embrace failing.

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Excellent points and especially #5; I don't think many people realize that and that's why they give up. Embrace failure. Embrace failing. Realize that it's part of the process and trust the process. I wish more people in IM would legit know and realize #5 there. Good stuff.

I know exactly what you feel @jp_smith86.
@Elliot305 you have definitely reason.

I will say this...
I have been on the blackhat world for about 3 years, only this year have I started participating. I was once like you, made so much doing balckhat methods, forgot that these methods come and go, didn't save, lost everything, started from ground up.
when I lost everything, something magical happened...(I didn't give up) you are lucky you still have a roof on your head.
I couldn't even afford a mean or find a place to sleep, I couldn't even afford $0.5 which in my country Uganda, is like really little.

But I didn't give up, I kept on standing. So here is my advise on a few options
1-If you learned anything in the SEO world, you might want to start a rank and rent SEO websites(In a few months, you'll be banking hard)
2-You can start a consulting practice in your country. Yes, go and talk to businesses and help them marketing
3-Find someone you can trust(A lady;I have one, she makes me $100k+ a month!) with some fair knowledge of online marketing or internet usage, and train her, let her be your PA, invest yourself in her and let he become so good, let her build you passive income streams(Niche Sites etc) these will start banking in a few months(Think long term moving on). The one I have is called Katie, she is the most important blessing and asset I have. After 2 years together with her, people ask me why she can't leave since she has learned everything(LOYALTY) women are very loyal, I took her from scratch to over $12k amonth, her loyalty is unquestioned.
4-Do some blackhat projects to help you get back on your feet.
5-Do some dropshipping (With only $5k in adspend, you can take any store from scratch to something massive) I am currently doing a case study that you can see HERE (In the event you need any help)
6-KEEP STANDING, DON'T STOP MOVING...

I remember you from 2012 or 2013 you were full of motivation ,you are a honest man ,dont lose hope.
Restart the work again and you will succeed